Tropical Lei Submitted Reviews The following submitted reader reviews are opinions expressed by the reader, and do not necessarily reflect the opinions of this website or Z Bone. Furthermore, Z Bone reserves the right to redact or delete any submitted reviews at any time. [Submit Review] [All Club Detail] Date: 3/15/2010 1:34pm Name: theghoster (New) Subject: April its been a few years since I've been there. looking to go back, LOVE the insight. Few posts back now, someone mentioned April, she a tall blond? about 6'2 with those heels? She'd have to be a top contender for ATF. Date: 3/15/2010 1:00pm Name: Stupid_kevin (58) Subject: Not a dancer, but a Customer Dreamclubber- I am not a dancer, but a customer. I am definitely not Aubrey. Aubrey does not like the reference "Stupid Kevin" to mean her because other dancers may give her grief or it may affect her business adversely. We like to promote her business, as well as promoting our other friends such as Brooke, Dahlia, etc. I find your postings and comments very interesting as well. Thank you Date: 3/15/2010 9:12am Name: Stupid_kevin (57) Subject: Law of Jante / Jantelagen (Repost) Thank you----I am glad you like the post! I reposted it below: I noticed many dancers appear jealous if one does well. The other dancers act very much like Janters-- "Janter" - It is a term coined in 1933 by a Norwegian/Danish author Aksel Sandemose's novel, "En flygtning krysser sitt spor," describing a small Danish town by the name of Jante, where nobody is anonymous, and refers to a snide, jealous mentality which "refuses to acknowledge any individual effort and places all emphasis on the collective, while punishing those who stand out as achievers." You see, a Janter (a person from that small town) will, on the surface, be like everyone else. He will be kind, social, interested. He will drive to work, drop his kids off for football practice, have a beer with you. But in reality, he is seething with hate. In particular, he has this hate for people close to him and those that are competing with him directly. Those that are more successful, wealthier, more balanced. He wishes nothing but ill for his neighbor, and the same for those at his work. If you get promoted before him, he will come up to you and shake your hand, look you in the eye, and smile. Inside, he will be bubbling with rage. Afterwards, he will do anything in his power, not to reach to your level, but to get you back down to his. He will lie behind your back, undermine you, and sabotage you. He will never think to work as hard as you, or be as dedicated to his own work. He will never be inspired by you. He can never think that you can be better than him at anything, so there is no way you earned that promotion legitimately - you must have cheated, or falsified or just been plain lucky. Characteristic for a Janter is that he will never truly succeed, even though it may look that way. That is because the basis for his drive is jealousy, fear, and above all, spite. He is exceptionally spiteful. He is never driven by passion, inspiration, selflessness. He thinks that everybody else is the same, and that they are putting up a front as well. His entire world is just bursts of spite, with occasional pauses in between. If he makes a million, he will be envious of the guy with two. If he makes two, he will be envious of the guy that looks better. And so on. He is never content, and always compares himself to others, none of which he thinks is smarter, better or stronger than him. So they must be more malicious, or luckier, or some other type of explanation. Date: 3/15/2010 8:27am Name: Dr_B (22) Subject: Misc Went to the club on Saturday, really didn't look that hard for Brooke, too many other beautiful ladies. Had the misfortune of doing a lap with the new Jasmine, cute looking Latina. What a bad attitude she has, I didn't want to go VIP with her so she calls me a PL for paying to look at naked girls, very nice customer skills (I'm being sarcastic). Later noticed that she doesn't get very many dances. Time to weed these ladies out, if you don’t like what you do, don’t do it. Had a great couple of laps with Champagne, again didn't do VIP because it sound very LM and very expensive for what you got. But if you only do laps, Champagne was great. Good news for those that like the thin tall black Jasmine, apparently she is back dancing under a new name, Angel. That didn't take long for her to get back in the business, just like I called. Date: 3/15/2010 2:24am Name: dreamclubber (88) Subject: Replies: Dr B, Cupid Psyche, Aubrey Dr B: You’re welcome. I was curious to find out if Brooke is a reformed ROB. I believe in redemption. if you like tall blondes, look up Holly who works dayshift. Call the club 909-931-0360 and ask if she is working. She’s a sweetheart. Don’t give up on TL. CupidPysche: Thanks for the insightful post. That’s the beauty of TL – the variety. Dayshift is different than nightshift. For the night crowd who have never been: A lot slower (gaps between stage shows), less pressure from dancers (which may seem like they are ignoring you compared to night), smaller older customer crowd since most don’t stick around and go straight to the VIP for the most part, smaller selection of dancers but less likely to be ROBs IMO. Most guys cant make it due to work but worth a day off to get a taste. Aubrey, I mean StupidKevin: I actually liked your Jante post. Did you delete yourself or did the zbone moderator delete it. Kind of intellectual for a sc board but VERY relevant to sad state of affairs. Since bad service is expected at many sc, new dancers who see this behavior start providing bad service. TL historically has been different because of its high customer service that let new dancers who fit right in make LOADS of money from their grateful admirers, while LM dancers who decide it was not for them HAPPILY quit to work at one of the over 100 low mileage sc in the region. There were also desperate dancers who ROBed but these were short-term since their tactics usually caught up with them. The LM and ROBs would resent the HONEST dancers but they didn’t stick around long enough to cause problems. The problem I have been railing about is that the LM and ROBs did not quit (some have been here for YEARS!). It’s logical that new dancer would see a ROB like Ashley was the highest earner and then copy her ROB tactics to try to earn as much money as her. It has been a disaster for the club in the long term as customers NEVER COME BACK after being ripped off!! Then you have the tip mafia dancers who TRIED to charge ridiculous fees and are jealous of NMT dancers because the NMT figured out a way to get more dances. Thanks Aubrey for pointing out a different angle on this: The Jante dancers (ROBs, LM, and tip mafia) are ruining the club as a whole by bringing down the HONEST dancers with their bad vibes and harassment. Could this explain why we see dancers leave: Kacey, Roxy, Jazmine, Daylene? They couldn’t put up with the harassment from these losers , who BTW, are STILL employed at this club. Could it be that the Jante dancers outnumber the HONEST dancers to the point that ANY new dancer will be ruined and will not be allowed to succeed (They tried to ruin Roxy, but she survived as long as she could). Oh God, how the hell can this be fixed!!! Am I alone out there who thinks this is a problem? Is everyone ready to give up on TL? Please correct me if I got any of this wrong? Date: 3/15/2010 12:05am Name: dreamclubber (87) Subject: cfh4life Thansk for the reply. OMG. Where to begin. For starters, I hope Shawnee is doing okay and that goes for all dancers with life after TL (yes, even Ashley). If that manager knocked her up, she should be getting child support from him to help her. I think we customers all have someone we remember and sad to say, it’s not always the ones that are most deserving to remember. Still, I am glad I had the experience and ABLE to remember (note to you black-out alcoholics out there). We need good experiences to block out the bad ones. That’s why we love TL and get so mad when a ROB cheat us. IT’S NOT THE F CKEN MONEY!!!!! You are cheating us of a good experience and with it, good memories, and placing BAD memories. Thanks, ROBs. As far as the thrill being gone, this happens to a lot of us in real life or worse, you get great VIPs and she all of sudden quits and you never get to that “thrill is gone period”. If I may offer my two cents, the best way is not to FORGET (why would anyone want to forget good experiences) but to RE-LIVE by finding someone who shares her best qualities and doesn’t have her bad ones. What did Shawnee look like? Does anyone at TL look like her AND, dear God, is not a ROB? (Im not at all religious BTW, I just do that for emphasis) On another note, OMG! She got knocked up by a MANAGER! Who still worked at the club while she was doing VIPs. Did he work at HT or TL? Is he still working there? Talk about workplace drama. Did he interfere with your VIPs – the “curtain opening during the VIP” urban legend? Maybe that’s why she was rude? Maybe that’s why the thrill was gone? He was jealous of your dances with her and he was harassing her over it which caused her to be rude?, or She thought she could get away with rudeness while she was f king the manager? There are so many angles on this. I would NORMALLY file this under the “Id rather not know” category except that it may be further explanation why service at TL has gotten so bad. Some lazy ass dancers want to f ck the manager so that they can get away with ROBing customers. Wow! That is so sad! Id like to think that managers are PROFESSIONALS who are looking for the best interest of the club and would not allow who they are f cking to RUIN the club by committing ROB activity. Am I wrong to believe this? Could this explain why Ashley was allowed to keep ROBing people? She simply provided service to those that would allow her to keep ROBing people. I mean most ROBs can only survive a few months until sh t catches up with them, but Ashley stayed on for over 2 years after exposed. Wow! This is a lot to process. Thanks for giving us all something to think about - although I may be better off not thinking about it. Date: 3/14/2010 9:32pm Name: cfh4life (1) Subject: What I know about Shawnee's departure! To answer dreamclubber's question about Shawnee's departure from TL. What I know about what happened to Shawnee(and this is from word of mouth) is that around 2006 after she returned to TL after the birth of her second child, her baby's father who was one of the manager's at the club at that time, cheated on her and she went through a hard time until the summer of 2007. During that time period, I would hear that she was being rude to customers and staff(dancers,management,waitresses,etc.)and she started abusing drugs(crack). I know that she was asked to leave the club in early 2007 because of those issues but she came back for a while until that summer. On labor day weekend '07, I found out that she was officially fired because of her poor attitude and issues. The last I heard about Shawnee was that she worked a couple nights at SR Rialto sometime in 2008 (and this was from a former TL dancer at SR Rialto) and then she officially retired and is now living on welfare.Sad but True. I will admit to this, but I had a "mad" crush on Shawnee. And that dated back to when I first met her at HT back in 2003/2004. Shawnee was my main reason for going to TL at the beginning and every time we were together it was worth it except for the last two times(May '06 & '07). The thrill was gone with her. And I think about her just about every day. Date: 3/14/2010 8:02pm Name: cupidpsyche (2) Subject: Don't give up on TL just yet I'm in agreement with the last post. I too had not returned to TL for quite sometime due to the lack of good looking ladies, bad attitude, overpriced privates, and poor quality service. Previous to that I had been going for well over 10 years. That being said, I've recently returned during the day shift more out of curiosity than anything else. My assessment?... it's actually improving. There are some new ladies there now that are making my return trips all the more worth it. Kylie and Serenity alone are DROP DEAD GORGEOUS. Aurora is a sweetheart. And then there's Brandy. OMG... that girl had me quivering. I didn't expect my return to be as good as it has these past 2 months. No it's not the return of the old TL, with bargain prices and such, however it's certainly more reasonable than it has been in the last 3 years for great milage. Maybe it's the economy, maybe not but I'm certainly going to enjoy it while it lasts. Don't give up on it just yet, TL may just bounce back. Can't wait for some more Brandy! Club Dancers Attitude Nasty Factor Date: 3/14/2010 7:24pm Name: dreamclubber (86) Subject: cfh4life Wow sounds lik eyou had lot of fun. We all do not know what events led to the departure of Shawnee. Please tell us. Let's not give up on TL just yet. It has bounced back before and Im sure it will again. Date: 3/14/2010 5:54pm Name: Stupid_kevin (56) Subject: Aubrey's schedule Please post Aubrey's schedule Date: 3/14/2010 5:24pm Name: cfh4life (New) Subject: Fan of TL since '05, but now have mixed feelings! I first started going to TL in February,2005. And I had good times pretty much every time I went since that time. But since January 9th of this year, I'm starting to have mixed feelings about the club now. The reasons for these mixed feelings are as follows. The 3 dancers that were my "ATF" dancers at TL are pretty much gone. Those "big 3" were Shawnee,Michaela/McKaylah(I'm not sure how she spelled her name) and Ashton. We all know about the sad, unfortunate events that led to Shawnee's departure. Michaela/McKaylah supposedly took a "long break" and from what I've heard, no one knows if she's retired or not. I know Ashton is still at TL, but the few times I've been there, she wasn't working those times. Besides these 3, the other dancers I got together with at TL were as follows: Felony, Cynthia,Natalie,Amber,Aurora,Gina,Nichole, Sandy,Sapphire,Summer,Callie, and Roxy. I had fun with each of those girls. The only girl I regret getting together with was Daylene. The three I regret not getting together with were April,Brodie, and Cinnamon. The last time I was there(Jan.9), the club was dead and I heard about what happened to Callie which I got together with this past September and may she rest in peace. Since the recession has affected this country's economy, I've had to be tight with money. I may return to the club soon but if I don't, all I can say is that it was fun while it lasted but all good things must come to an end. Club Dancers Attitude Nasty Factor Date: 3/13/2010 8:16pm Name: Dr_B (21) Subject: Brooke. Don't do it Dreamclubber, I knew I could count on you. That's what I thought, just needed confirmation. Thanks Bro. Date: 3/13/2010 5:53pm Name: dreamclubber (85) Subject: Dr. B: Brooke, Don't Do It Brooke has the same approximate body type as Stupid Kevin, I mean Aubrey. She is over 6 feet, thin as a rail, and blonde. Similar to Dayshift Holly. Aubrey was blonde when she started work as Paris. While Aubrey's face looks like that of a beautiful woman, Brooke's looks like a innocent teen. I love all the ladies, all types and ages, but I can’t stand clueless young girls, no matter how pretty, who play the whole “I’m innocent, you pervert” angle to ROB you. Jeez. Oh, they call them ADULT clubs for a reason. Little girls do not belong in ADULT clubs. We are perverts, not child m ol esters. I wish they would go back to high school and come back when they grow up. I know there are guys out there screaming “Shut the f up”, we like them young. Ok fine, you like them young, but what good are they if they are ROBs and place the club in jeopardy. I know management likes the young girls as eye candy for the stage shows to provide variety and balance out the older women, but are they checking IDs so as to not to get caught stupidly (reminds me of Al Capone going to jail for tax evasion instead of all the other crap he did). I know the older dancers like them (including some of lesbians who prey on them) on the misconception that the older will get more dances by telling customers “don’t even think about , they are in training, stick with the older women” as Priscilla (remember her) told me once. This has been disastrous for the club when guys realize that some dancers are offlimits due to ridiculous fees (false advertising turns off some guys completely) and even when trying one, getting lame dancers who act like “even though I ASKED you for a dance and I TOLD you I would do X for Y, I am going to act for the next three songs as if I am completely innocent and act like you are forcing me to do this”. Sick! If you are that innocent , don’t offer what you can’t deliver. Yes, it’s that simple! Jeez! Don’t misunderstand. Most younger girls, especially those that have been there a while, are mature on the inside ( I mean come on, these ARE women who have lived life outside the club) while being young in the outside. Look at Roxy. Why do you think there is so much dialogue dismayed about her departure. Roxy was young & sweet AND hot at the same time. I hope she made a fortune and pursues her dreams. I still haven't read exactly why she left. Is she at another club. PLease don't say she got promoted to HT. My advice: Talk to Brooke, tell her that you read she was a ROB, and do NOT VIP with her. Send a message that you can see lame Brookes at any other club and don’t need to come to TL. If you do decide that you want to take one for the team: For the love of God, do not pay upfront. If she ROBs you, let us know. If you are brave, walk out of the VIP when she ROBs you and tell management that she DID NOT dance for you. Let’s stop rewarding ROBs. Club Dancers Attitude Nasty Factor Date: 3/13/2010 3:47pm Name: Dr_B (20) Subject: Brooke Coming in tonight, someone help me out and let me know what Brooke looks like. I thought I have seen different review of her, both good and bad. I'll also be a member of the Roxy fan club, that girl was a sweetheart and as fine as they get. Date: 3/13/2010 2:15pm Name: Stupid_kevin (55) Subject: To the President of the Roxy Fan Club To the President of the Roxy Fan Club: The president of the Roxy fan club rushes to her defense! Sorry, dude, no offense intended to you or Roxy. I like Roxy very much but she is out of business, so I think you should go with Brooke. I also hope the girls are nicer to each other, and not jealous if one does well, so they all can be friends. That is the point of the law of Jante, nothing else. Date: 3/9/2010 10:11pm Name: Mr_Ace (14) Subject: Re: Mercedes (plurker4fun) Well she seemed pretty damn high when I saw her, and she was just average with the vip. It was standard and no upselling whatsoever. It was good, but theres way better in my opinion. But i say give her a shot. everyones preference is different and maybe just caught her on a weird day. Date: 3/9/2010 7:14pm Name: Dr_B (19) Subject: Aubrey Are you working this Saturday? If not who would you recommend? My ATF work days or have been missing in action, Roxy and Jasmin? Where did they go? Date: 3/9/2010 3:46pm Name: paris_TL (47) Subject: Aubrey schedule Tonight(Tuesday)8-close and wendsday night 7-1 Date: 3/8/2010 8:29pm Name: Brbonz (166) Subject: Roxy Anyone know of Roxy's whereabouts? I don't think that she's been around for weeks? Any info would be cool. Date: 3/8/2010 5:11pm Name: plurker4fun (202) Subject: Mercedes Just curious Mr. Ace, what is considered pretty decent? I only ask as Mercedes is someone I wanna try in the VIP but has had mixed reviews. I understand an upsell but never stand for ROB tactics. Speaking of NMT house dancers, any recent sightings of Gina lately Date: 3/8/2010 3:46pm Name: dreamclubber (83) Subject: Mariah = Holly By Mariah, do you mean Holly who used to use that name. Dayshift tall slender model-like blonde.\\ Date: 3/8/2010 2:40pm Name: simply104 (72) Subject: dancer could it be possibly be Mariah? tall blond, seems like the girl you described. Date: 3/8/2010 2:23pm Name: Stupid_kevin (54) Subject: Re Dancer Must be someone new but I rarely go there Monday Day Shift. Date: 3/8/2010 1:07pm Name: Mr_Ace (13) Subject: Dancer? There was a tall blond there that had a fantastic body, and killer 32 C/D boobs on a Monday Day shift. Looked almost like porn star Brooke Banner. Anyone know her name and laps? Date: 3/4/2010 7:18pm Name: mo_bta_luv (936) Subject: upsell vs rob An upsell is when the dancer accepts $120 or any other agreed upon amount for the dance upfront, and then spends the whole song or vip attempting to sell upgrade the dance or extort a tip 4 touch, If a dancer has a discussion with a patron and then gets into to the vip and starts to reneg.I would think that is a rob because she is using the lappers time to beg up on a couple more dollars. Once that curtain closes it should be all biz. No mo time fo talk. The bill is paid, and it is time to get entertained. Date: 3/4/2010 6:56pm Name: king33 (226) Subject: NT--Upsellinjg NY I respectfully disagree in that I respect your posts. Upselling is when you agree on a price before the vip starts then when the curtains close the price increases or what is promised just doesn't happen. If someone promises vhm for 200 and then tries to sell you uhm for 300. I consider that intelligent and trying to maximise income for the dancer. But when someone promises vhm 200 and then when the curtains close says "I don't do that" or that will be $240 that is rob upsell. We have to be consistent and clear on rob/upsell as patrons. Can't get mad at a dancer for promising vhm and then trying to get more for UHM later. But if you decline UHM, then the agreed upon vhm cost shouldn't change IMO Date: 3/4/2010 10:07am Name: Mr_Ace (12) Subject: TR Went in monday afternoon to scope out the talent a bit. Was approached by Karina who has a body that kills! Her face.... couldn't see to well in the light, but looked descent? Declined because she wanted way to much . Got a couch dance from Jewles. Killer body. One of the sexiest bodies i've ever seen. She seemed pretty cool. Met Mercedes and wound up going to the back with her. Pretty decent. There was a tall blond there that had a fantastic body, and killer 32 C/D boobs. Looked almost like porn star Brooke Banner. Anyone know her name and laps? Date: 3/4/2010 12:09am Name: NY (1197) Subject: re: Definition of upselling/upsale The way I understand upselling is when a dancer attempts to convince you go with a pricier options after you agree to a service. Let say you agree on VHM and once you get into the VIP room, she starts trying to convince you to go UHM for more money. It’s not really ROB behavior but it’s annoying. YMMV stands for Your Mileage May Vary. A dancer is YMMV if she offers different level of mileage to different customer. A dancer that offers UHM to her regulars only would by YMMV. Date: 3/2/2010 6:55pm Name: dreamclubber (82) Subject: Definition of upselling/upsale I may have been using this term wrong. I have read posts that refer to dancers asking for ridiculous fees BEFORE committing to a VIP as “upselling”. Ridiculous fees are a result of (a)dancers who do not want to do anything so ask for $ above NMT (might as well ask for a million dollars) knowing nobody will pay; (b) ymmv-meaning a NMT dancer will charge some guys a lot more; or (c)dancers scared of a clique of dancers who have set a minimum ridiculous FEE above NMT and TRY to enforce it through harassment- what I call the “ tip mafia”. Leave the new girls and my NMT regulars alone! I thought upselling was strictly when a dancer charges more for something AFTER there was a commitment to a price (not simply asking for one before the dance). The upsale scenario is typically this: dancer and customer agree to x dollars for y, go to the VIP, customers pays dancer upfront the agreed upon fee (my advice: NEVER PAY UPFRONT), close the curtain when music starts dancer dances really slow, lame like, or not all and most importantly does NOT do y as agreed, at this point, either the customers asks dancer to start y or dancer will straight out say that she needs extra dollars to do y. At this point, the dancer is EXTORTING money from the customer, which is a crime. The problem with this is that there is still no guarantee thAt dancers will complete y even if she is paid more. The best bet is to ASK FOR YOUR MONEY BACK, which is hard since you paid upfront. If you didn’t pay upfront, you could simply get up, OPEN THE CURTAIN (yes you can do this), and simply walk out. If management asks, simply tell them that the dancer did not dance for you. They will not charge the ROB dancer. Sounds like a lot of drama, but I’ve done this more than a few times. Funny, some dancers AVOID me knowing this about me, but any dancer who even THINKS about pulling this sh t with me should do me the great favor of avoiding me. Thank you. If this happens to you and management gives you a hard time or makes you pay for nonexistent dances, post the situation here so we all know what’s up. This isn’t the money back guarantee. This would be your very own “we lie to you, you don’t pay” guarantee. This club is hurting while HT is thriving because HT is PERCEIVED as a guaranteed good time (it still has ROBs and drama, Im sure) while TL is hit and miss with its bigger share of clueless new dancers, long-term lame asses, upsellers and ROBs scaring off customers which ultimately hurts the honest dancers. All of us (honest dancers, management/staff, and customers) have to stop blaming each other for the rough time the club is going through and take charge to reward good behavior and punish bad behavior. Sure the economy is bad but how do you explain HT thriving. TL is suffering because of ROBs and upsellers. As much of a TL supporter as I am, I had first-hand ROB experiences and they make you feel Club Dancers Attitude Nasty Factor Date: 3/1/2010 5:32pm Name: dreamclubber (80) Subject: Brbonz Brbonz. Thanks for the TR. 30 dancers? Wow. that's almost as much as what the club would cut off as the maximum during the heydays before the recession. Unlike then though when almost all dancers provided service, what's the point of having 30 girls if over half are lame, drama queens, flat out dishonest extortonist ROBs, or part of the delusional tip mafia trying to impose a minimum price for service during the worst recession since the Great Depression. I'm glad you were able to find one that isn't part of any of this. I hope. It would be most helpful for the group to know the level of service and cost total. Can you share this with us? We know it's ymmv and she is your regular, but it still is helpful to let newbies (as well as vets) know what's available at the club in general and give guys a REASON to come in so the rest of the dancers can make some money as well and the club can thrive again. To reiterate my recent VIPS. Both were NMT UHM and I didnt pay upfront. Thanks in advance. Club Dancers Attitude Nasty Factor Date: 2/28/2010 5:32pm Name: Brbonz (165) Subject: Saturday night 2/27 This place was packed! Close to 30 dancers. At one point they'd all be hanging out in the dressing room and clme out for that stage walk then go back to the dressing room. Not many guys. This girl Emma seems or looks to be related to the Brooke. Not as tall but just as skinny with small a cups. Ended the night with dances from Candy and a VIP from Sapphire. Sapphire looking better than ever. Date: 2/26/2010 11:56am Name: Dr_B (17) Subject: Paris_tl plus others Thanks for the intel on Jewels, too bad becuz I thought she looked hot. You are right on about June, she is top 5 at TL, day or night. If you don't come in in the afternoons, she is worth the drive. A dancer told me the Jasmin is taking some time off or trying to retire and get a legit job. Good luck with that, my guess is she will be back shortly, once a dancer always a dancer, they get hooked on the money and will never be able to replace their income with a legit job. Too bad though because Jasmin was a very high mileage provider and a sweetheart, wish her the best. If anyone sees her around please let me know. Had a lap with Trixie, very average and wouldn't bother with VIP, she said same as a nude coach dance but longer. Date: 2/25/2010 3:27pm Name: Brbonz (161) Subject: Wednesday Night Stopped by Wednesday night. Pretty boring. Quite slow. Looks like the weather kept many from coming in. Girls seemed desparate and wanting to go home early. The only ones that seemed to be having fun were the pretty waitress with the huge bolt-ons. HopinG to see Aubrey, Jasmin or Roxy but neither of them were working. Some new girls like Candi and Trixy were appealing but no VIP from anyone. Date: 2/25/2010 9:29am Name: paris_TL (46) Subject: Schedule Brbonz..... Haha. Dr_B in reguards to your post asking about intel on jewels I personally would not reccomend her, she spends to much time making up ridiculous rumors as to why I dye my hair brown instead of blonde and gossiping to my friends in the dressing room, horrible personality and I've heard the dances are like a danceing with a dead fish, if your looking for a hot petite brunnette in the daytime then I highly reccomend June, Tatiana, or Natalia, all are very pretty with a great personality. Also theirs two girls I had never seen before Saturday night that were really really hot, anyways hope that helps I'll be working Saturday. Date: 2/24/2010 1:05pm Name: mcl0vin247 (1) Subject: My friends have always sworn by this place but I had come once before and had a pretty boring time. Gave it another try the other night and only way I can explain it is "HOL-E-SHIT." You read all the ROB stories down below and it definitely stops you from coming in, but I did anyways and now I've seen the light! You'll meet some off-the-wall girls and then you'll meet some really cool ones. They don't mess around, they come up to you and it's boom-boom-pow, are you in or are you out? I didn't have that problem of them not coming around and not talking to me that's for sure. Alana or Elena (whatever your name is), she made me cry a little bit haha. I'll be back as soon as soon as the room stops spinning! Date: 2/24/2010 12:23pm Name: Dr_B (16) Subject: Daytime June Just wanted to give a short review of June. She works daytime MWF. She is now my ATF, what a sweetheart. Friendy, great personality, likes to talk, just a great dancer, great attitude, no drama like some of the dancers. Petite Latina spinner, small tits but very nice, fit her petite body, cute little ass, hard stomach, just all around beautiful. Highly recommend her. I don't know what her lap dances are like, I only do VIP. But I guarantee you will not be disappointed in the VIP, awesome. If you like the petite ones June is your girl. Great lunch time break from the stresses of the office. Club Dancers Attitude Nasty Factor Date: 2/23/2010 8:40pm Name: DO_MAN (95) Subject: More_Butt_Luv Geez. If going to multiple whore houses wasn't enough, More_Butt_Luv has to go making up cutsy fairy gay names for Hawaii Theatre or some shit like that. What a loser Date: 2/23/2010 6:04pm Name: mo_bta_luv (933) Subject: omg Well I stand corrected. I have not seen her. Date: 2/23/2010 4:57pm Name: Lapito_Ergo_Cum (998) Subject: sienna Was there (HT) this last Friday. -LEC Date: 2/23/2010 9:23am Name: mo_bta_luv (932) Subject: sienna west aka ht kendra She wsa a dancer at the HT but it has been a very long time since she was actually in. I believe that it has been about 2 yrs since she last worked at the HTeezy. Date: 2/23/2010 2:25am Name: lakersfan49 (6) Subject: Sienna west at HT? whoa wait a sec. Sienna west works at HT? What days?! I love that woman Date: 2/21/2010 10:23am Name: Spidey (138) Subject: Dreamclubber Dreamclubber, I have a question for you. Please shoot me an email. qzieg69@aol.com Date: 2/21/2010 6:34am Name: dreamclubber (79) Subject: Don't give up on Tropical Lei I wrote a glowing positive review of TL and the zbone website moderator keeps deleting it. I may have been too graphic about the great VIPs I received recently. I didn't and will not name them but you who know who you are. Thanks ladies. ;) I will try to post my positive review in pieces to find what exactly is the offending language. In the meantime, I'm tired of people going on and on about how great HT is compared to TL so I came up with the following comparison: According to another board that shall remain nameless whose access is restricted: HT has a wider selection of women and the pricing has reached NMT or close to it. Porn actress Sienna West is at $150 UHM total; others at NMT. But TL has this going for it: 1. HT does not do all ladies on stage (what’s the point of 40+ ladies at HT if you sit there for hours and NEVER see some of them) 2. lights way too bright outside the stage area at HT 3. HT has none (or minimal) contact at tip rail with dancers during stage show while TL is known for this 4. TL is heavy on girl-on-girl action (I’m burned out on this stuff but if you like this, HT is not for you) 5. TL has greater variety of beauty types while HT is heavy on the tall model types. Variety is the spice of life, so they say. 6. TL dancers are not phony. If you are not their type or don't like you, they will not ask you for a dance. HT dancers are very polite compared to TL but it's harder to tell if the attraction is genuine or not. What people should say is not that HT is better, but that it’s just different. For many of us veterans, TL is better because of the history we have with the club and HT seems foreign, like a chain sc like Déjà vu or Spearmint Rhino. I guess my point is that people shouldn’t give up on TL just because of a bad incident, or several in my case, since it can still offer what you are looking for. Club Dancers Attitude Nasty Factor Date: 2/20/2010 11:11pm Name: cookman (5) Subject: Past visit It has been a couple of months since I have been to the TL. I have only been there two or three times back in Dec and had a good time. The club I thought was small but very friendly. It is not to bad to receive a massage while she is sitting with you. I did have two fantasy with different girls and was treated well (VHM). I did not have to pay upfront and if that is required I know what kind of dance I could expect and would move on to someone else. I think that is why you should take a test drive with a topless first and see how that goes. Some of the ones I remember are April, Cinnamon, Coco and there was one with the name of a car like Mercedes or Bentley. Are they all still there? Club Dancers Nasty Factor Date: 2/20/2010 9:29pm Name: Brbonz (157) Subject: Aubrey Not tonight. Hopefully Monday night. Miss those "thunder thighs" (ha) Date: 2/20/2010 12:03pm Name: paris_TL (45) Subject: Brbonz Heyy I just saw your post, I'm working tonight and Monday, hope to see you!! If not have a good weekend! Stupid_Kevin where have you been???<3Aubrey. P.s hi Ed!!! Date: 2/19/2010 4:58am Name: dreamclubber (76) Subject: Fatcock - Sinn ROB story Your ROB story sounds horrible! Believe it or not, I paid upfront too and got ROBed big time. A man can be the smartest guy in the outside world but our brains turn to mush when we see a beautiful WILLING woman. The key here is WILLING since we can meet beautiful women other places but what ‘s the use if they aren’t willing. We want to like them and want to trust them and some are willing to receive this. Then there are some dancers that really hate themselves and think that the outside world hates them and project this thinking that the customers also hate them. Hello? The outside world hates dancers because they are jealous or simply don’t understand, but We customers don’t hate dancers. We are willing to PAY money for the privilege of worshiping you. What kind of sick mind hates themselves SO MUCH that they do self-destructive things like ROB customers so that customers, the one group that doesn’t hate dancers, in fact is now given a reason to HATE them. Truly sad. I want to thank you for sharing your ROB story. A lot guys probably rather not talk about it because it hurts. But silence is what makes ROBs able to victimize customers. I was silent about the Ashley ROB incident for over a year after it happened. I didn’t want to admit that I was basically EXTORTED out of money. Humiliating. Ashley would actually ask for a dance and when I reminded her of what she did, she would get mad and slap me and laugh. This happened about 4 times until she stopped. Then my regulars told me that Ashley brags about ROBing customers and specifically, me!! Ashley’s friends actually felt sorry for me and tried to be extra nice to me. Wow! Getting pity from dancers, could be fun but actually it’s quite sad. At this point, I was a lurker of this website and had never posted since this website had degenerated into nonsense with dancers posing as men talking about smelly vaginas and botched boob jobs. Then, people started posting about being ROBed by Ashley. Reading these ROB posts made me realize that had I posted a ROB alert, these guys probably would’ve avoided her (or maybe not since our brains turn to mush anyway.) I signed up for zbone and posted my Rob alert. I later saw some of Ashley’s victims post at other club websites. Wow! Was Ashley so humiliating and emasculating (big word means when a woman makes a man feel like less of a man) that they rather sacrifice getting service at TL and instead go to a LM club where there is not the possibility of service. I’m sure there are a lot of guys that are ROBed never bother to post but never come back to TL again. I COMPLETELY disagree with this since Ashley, THANK GOD, is in the minority of dancers and most TL dancers are HONEST. but I do understand that men don’t want to see SOMEONE who has humiliated and emasculated them and don't go somewhere where they are DISRESPECTED. Still, someone needs to say something positive about TL. I will in my next po Club Dancers Attitude Nasty Factor Date: 2/17/2010 6:50pm Name: Brbonz (152) Subject: Cinnamon She was there on Friday night. Date: 2/17/2010 11:19am Name: Dr_B (14) Subject: Cinnamon Haven't seen Cinnamon in a while, over a month, used to have very steady attendance. This club sucks for giving out the roll call of who is working. If you go to any other club on Zbone they are giving out the roll calls sometimes twice a day. Wake up management and get with the program. I don't want to waste 2 hours of my time if I'm not certain my FAV's are going to be there. If I know they are there I'll come in and drop $200-300, every time. Date: 2/17/2010 11:08am Name: MrMassage (New) Subject: Heather and Cinamon It's been a while since ive been to the club. I moved back to cucamonga about a month ago and went in looking for Heather, she's a small little blond, use to work mornings. I'm also looking for Cinamon, she wear a one peice white short set suite. Booth beautiful white girls. I called the club and the said, they didn't know the girls schedules. If you have any info can you let me know. Thanks, MrMassage Club Dancers Attitude Nasty Factor Date: 2/17/2010 2:10am Name: TWANG77 (11) Subject: Jaclyn Does anyone know when Jaclyn works? Thanks. Date: 2/16/2010 2:10am Name: Brbonz (150) Subject: Aubrey Missed your post. Missed you this weekend. What is your schedule this week? Date: 2/15/2010 12:29pm Name: Dr_B (13) Subject: Club Status If you want the club status to improve you have to be willing to part will the dollars to make sure the pretty ones can make a living here, after all working at TL is their primary source of income. I still think this is the place to come if you want a quality VIP experience and some light conversation to boot. Not cheap but worth the price of admission. Haven't been in a month other to see my ATF. Called a few times and it doesn't seem like a lot of the pretty ones are in. What happened to Roxy, Victoria, Daylyn, Jasmine? Club Dancers Attitude Nasty Factor Date: 2/13/2010 11:18am Name: paris_TL (44) Subject: Working tonight Aubrey working Saturday night 630-3am, probally won't be working very many night shifts so hopefully I'll see you Date: 2/13/2010 5:28am Name: Brbonz (147) Subject: Club status This place has really gone downhill. The waitresses ate starting to look better than the dancers. Other than sapphire and Leilani the rest looked tired and old. No hotties. Almost not worth taking the trip here on a Friday night. I do agree with the rob list posted earlier. Date: 2/12/2010 5:28pm Name: Fat_Cock (110) Subject: dreamclubber I'm simply reporting my personal experience with her and I honestly got robbed by Sinn. She gave me a set total price before going to the VIP which she upselled in the first place, then she wanted the money up front, then after she closes the curtain she claims that the price was just for the extras and I would still have to pay her the $120 for the 3 songs on top of her "extras" price and claimed that the $120 goes all to the club, which is a lie because we all know that they only give a portion of that to the club, not the whole thing. I called her bluff and told her I wanted my money back and I was going to leave, in which she quickly replied, "Okay, okay, I'll take care of you!" Then after saying all that and trying to play me for more money, she did not deliver at all! Then after the 3 song was up she darted out of the VIP with my money leaving the curtain wide open for everyone to see!! Does any customer want that type of experience?! If you do, then go with Sinn! I'm never going back to TL again until these ROB's are fired!! I know a lot of girls at HT who are not ROB's and deliver everytime and they don't upsell, and they are actually hotter than any girls at TL! You can get all the extras for $200 TOTAL ($120 for 3 songs are included in that total!), and they are actually nice to you and will sit on your lap and talk to you before and after VIP! Besides, HT has tons more hotter girls than TL, and their VIP rooms are so much cleaner!! TL is basically a dump and infested with ROB's and the younger girls all upselling ($400-$600 for VIP for 3 songs). The problem with TL is that there's very few "lookers" there and plus add on the fact there isn't a whole lot of choices for strip clubs in that area, and so the so called "lookers" try to upsell you. No more being a victim of ROB's at TL! I'm done with that fucking place! HT is Da Place to be!! Date: 2/12/2010 3:59am Name: dreamclubber (74) Subject: FatCock: Sinn is a ROB? Wow! For starters, Sinn isn’t a new girl - been at TL close to 2 years, I think. Flat out lying and extorting money from customers. Wow! I actually feel bad since she seems so polite to me. Could it be a case of ymmv-your mileage may vary-meaning Sinn delivers for others but not you for some reason. Some dancers claim they do things with some customers and not with others, or even claim they will do things for NMT for some customers, but charge fees for others (the going price has been $600-800 3 song VIP from dancers who want to let me know they DO NOT want to VIP with me– of course, I say no but I always wonder if any guy calls their bluff and actually says yes to this. What the heck is that VIP like. Could it possibly be any fun? I rather not know.) When I was Robed by Ashley, she laughed at my face and told me that she lets others do things and she won’t let me do anything. I told I just wanted a REGULAR VIP DANCE that I paid for upfront with $120. She laughed at my face and tried to walk out of the VIP booth. What followed was an argument that lasted all THREE SONGS with us both standing up arguing and NO DANCE. Hell, at least other ROBS provide the horrible “ I hate your guts” LM VIP dance so at least you cant say dances were not provided. For those that don’t know: Ashley is a tall older (30s) blonde with short hair who talks with a baby voice when asking for dances who used to look shapely but now looks emaciated (big word means unhealthily skinny). Sinn should not have asked you for a dance at all or at least tell you what is or is not going to happen Did you bother to ask or did you assume. Most dancers are very honest because they don’t want drama either. Unfortunately, some dancers want drama and I’m sure some hate men in general and get off ripping off guys daring them to do something about. Of course, we never do because you have to understand why we guys are there in the first place – we like women, we want to connect with them and when we choose one-it means that we want a connection with that women. We customers are the VICTIMS when ROBed. Promising and not delivering HUMILIATES the customer and takes a man who has come to worship women and places that man in a situation with DRAMA that he has come to TL to specifically avoid -- ARGUING WITH A WOMAN. OVER MONEY, NO LESS. The guy could’ve gone to any bar in town or stayed home if he wanted that. Sinn never approaches me for dances and I always assumed I wasn’t her type – but I guess maybe the real reason is that she didn’t want to lie to me to get in the VIP and ROB me. I guess I should thank her for that. LM dancers are okay as long as they are honest with customers and don’t go promising things they don’t deliver. I feel bad adding her to the ROB list but if you say so. Here goes. Ongoing ROB list: Ashley, Brooke, Houston, Sinn. Sorry Sinn. Feel free to come on to this website and defend yo Club Dancers Attitude Nasty Factor Date: 2/12/2010 3:22am Name: Fat_Cock (108) Subject: weekendfan Unfortunately, the bartenders are the best looking girls at TL! The somewhat "attractive" girls all upsell at this place since they have no competition, and recently this place has been infested with ROB's! I've basically given up on going to this place, at least until all the ROB's get the fuck out of the place and the younger girls stop upselling. HT has tons more hotties and they don't upsell since they are in competition with eachother There's one girl at HT that upsells, and that's Nadia. She's hot, but unless you want to empty your bank account, I would avoid her... Date: 2/11/2010 10:08pm Name: weekendfan (105) Subject: tonite Well I kno is a little late but ,,,I was planning on stoping by , is been a while , last time I stpped the waitresses looked better than the dancers ,, who is at the club tonite that is worth yhe affort ? I know is late ,,,, im happy to see our corner preacher is still here ,,,,if u really want to save souls why don't you come in the club and spread the word ??? Stop hiding behind the keyboard ,,,,,,,,,,, Date: 2/11/2010 7:55pm Name: John_Cena (506) Subject: littletipper / Fat_Cock For John came to you to show you the way of righteousness, and you did not believe him, but the tax collectors and the prostitutes did. And even after you saw this, you did not repent and believe him. Matthew 21:32 Date: 2/11/2010 6:31pm Name: Fat_Cock (103) Subject: littletipper, truthful, JC I agree wit-u littletipper! Apparently going to church hasn't helped him at all as it is so evident that he just can't let go of strip clubs. Think about it, when you come onto strip club boards you have porn pictures flashing all over the place and apparently he still enjoys getting his fill of porn! He is diguising himself as some self-righteous person preaching at others, and the real reason why he comes on these boards is so that he can look at all the porn pics and jack himself off to releive himself! Isn't that called a "hypocrite?!" Date: 2/11/2010 5:24pm Name: littletipper (42) Subject: good guy i think john cena is a good guy / gone bad. he goes to church 3 times a week but cant get anything out of it, so he comes here hoping to find true love with a stripper he thinks he can convert. oh i forgot Amen ! Date: 2/11/2010 4:33pm Name: Dr_B (12) Subject: Jasmine Been awhile since I've seen Jasmine. Anyone know where she is or when she is coming back. She is definitely worth the wait. In the meantime June will more then do, she is one fine Latina babe. Dancers Nasty Factor Date: 2/11/2010 7:34am Name: John_Cena (504) Subject: Truthful The Lord is my strength and my song; He has become my salvation. This is my God, and I will praise Him, my father's God, and I will exalt Him Exodus 15:2 For this is what the Lord has commanded us: I have appointed you as a light for the Gentiles, to bring salvation to the ends of the earth. Acts 13:47 Date: 2/11/2010 1:14am Name: Truthful (43) Subject: John_Cena I know why I visit this board, JC. What is a pious person like you doing here? I guess that's why there's a sexual position named after sanctimonious individuals... It's called "The Missionary" Date: 2/10/2010 10:08pm Name: John_Cena (502) Subject: Truthful Do not keep talking so proudly or let your mouth speak such arrogance, for the LORD is a God who knows, and by him deeds are weighed 1 Samuel 2:3 The fool says in his heart, "There is no God." They are corrupt, and their ways are vile; there is no one who does good. Psalms 53:1 In his pride the wicked does not seek him; in all his thoughts there is no room for God. Psalms 10:4 Date: 2/10/2010 6:36pm Name: Truthful (42) Subject: John_Cena Have you not heard of that madman who lit a lantern in the bright morning hours, ran to the market-place, and cried incessantly: "I am looking for God! I am looking for God!" - Friedrich Nietzsche Date: 2/10/2010 9:06am Name: gemwee (101) Subject: Jaclyn Went into the club a few days ago. I ran into Jaclyn who I believe is the second coming of "Alana". great dances and doesn't seem like the other girls. Jaclyn is older and seems wiser. Now don't get me wrong there will NEVER BE an another "Alana". But Jaclyn is very nice and always carries on a conversation with you in mind. Most girls now days always talk about themselves and its only about the money AKA "Nadia" HT.. I will not go into details about mileage, I will leave that up to your imagination. Date: 2/10/2010 2:28am Name: lalapper01 (11) Subject: Kiana? I haven't been to TL in several years. Does anyone know if Kiana (Hawaiian) still works there, or where she might be working now (if she hasn't retired from the business)? Date: 2/9/2010 6:16pm Name: John_Cena (494) Subject: Truthful Namely, of the gods of the people which are round about you, nigh unto thee, or far off from thee, from the one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth; Deuteronomy 13:7 Date: 2/9/2010 12:18pm Name: Truthful (41) Subject: John_Cena I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use. - Galileo Galilei Date: 2/9/2010 5:00am Name: Dr_B (11) Subject: Intel on Jewels Does anyone have any intel on Jewels? Very pretty girl, nice body with long hair. Didn't have time to take her on a test lap as I was there to see my ATF. What are her VIP's like? Thanks for the info. Club Dancers Attitude Nasty Factor Date: 2/8/2010 8:53pm Name: Truthful (40) Subject: Re: John_Cena We can live without religion and meditation, but we cannot survive without human affection. - Dalai Lama Date: 2/8/2010 5:24pm Name: John_Cena (483) Subject: Truthful Watch and pray so that you will not fall into temptation. The spirit is willing, but the body is weak Mark 14:38 Do you not know that he who unites himself with a prostitute is one with her in body? For it is said, "The two will become one flesh." 1 Corinthians 6:16 Date: 2/8/2010 3:24pm Name: Bzoner (2) Subject: Still there? Wondering if there is a cute girl still here that works days.She is mixed latina and persian or middle eastern/indian but has light skin. She is long hair brunette and short with nice curves.Gives very nice vip! My last trip was probably 2007 though.I went to catch mercedez and she didn't show.This still turned out to be a memorable trip(would love to catch up with this one!) Thanx Date: 2/8/2010 1:34pm Name: Truthful (39) Subject: Re: John Cena/Matthew 5:28 One day Samson went to Gaza, where he saw a prostitute. He went in to spend the night with her. Judges 16:1-2 Date: 2/6/2010 3:33pm Name: king33 (225) Subject: robs--amen Amen Dreamcluber Robs are tough. Still remember my first rob experience many years ago and remember my last one about 2 years ago at HT. Never pay up front. I've had dancers ask for me to pay up front and they delivered. But that question makes rob percentages go up. Not worth it. Also paying up front, completely ruins the experience. Means absolute zero trust for any possibility of fantasy. The reasoning is usually on the lines of "a guy didn't pay once" So basically they are robbed one time and never trust anyone again. Can use this model in reverse. That you or a friend were robbed one time and never pay in advance to dancers. Anyway, there are questions you can ask up front where one should be able to tell if the dancer is being evasive because she's a rob or is legit and doesn't want to be too blatant. To ask a dancer "do you have anything?" if she delivers she knows exactly what you're asking may even show you. If she is a rob, she'll say "what do you mean?" or "don't worry, we'll both have fun" or even "this will be the best dance of your life" Those are typical rob answers. As far as upsell, that can be asked directly. "When the curtains close, do you increase this price quoted dishonestly, all I have is $xyz?" is a good question to ask. Anyway after this sort of intell. The way you can still get robbed is a flat out lie. This is how I got robbed a few years back at HT. Still upset about the liar. Would say the name in a second if she was still there. as the other poster said. Out the robs. They will then wonder at work one day why they are making zero dances. We are not all mileage hounds, many married etc. I apreciate a dancer who says she is LM and I dance from time to time. They can still do OK. Date: 2/6/2010 3:02pm Name: king33 (224) Subject: robs--amen Amen Dreamcluber Robs are tough. Still remember my first rob experience many years ago and remember my last one about 2 years ago at HT. Never pay up front. I've had dancers ask for me to pay up front and they delivered. But that question makes rob percentages go up. Not worth it. Also paying up front, completely ruins the experience. Means absolute zero trust for any possibility of fantasy. The reasoning is usually on the lines of "a guy didn't pay once" So basically they are robbed one time and never trust anyone again. Can use this model in reverse. That you or a friend were robbed one time and never pay in advance to dancers. Anyway, there are questions you can ask up front where one should be able to tell if the dancer is being evasive because she's a rob or is legit and doesn't want to be too blatant. To ask a dancer "do you have anything?" if she delivers she knows exactly what you're asking may even show you. If she is a rob, she'll say "what do you mean?" or "don't worry, we'll both have fun" or even "this will be the best dance of your life" Those are typical rob answers. As far as upsell, that can be asked directly. "When the curtains close, do you increase this price quoted dishonestly, all I have is $xyz?" is a good question to ask. Anyway after this sort of intell. The way you can still get robbed is a flat out lie. This is how I got robbed a few years back at HT. Still upset about the liar. Would say the name in a second if she was still there. as the other poster said. Out the robs. They will then wonder at work one day why they are making zero dances. We are not all mileage hounds, many married etc. I apreciate a dancer who says she is LM and I dance from time to time. They can still do OK. Date: 2/4/2010 5:27pm Name: John_Cena (473) Subject: NY But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart Matthew 5:28 Date: 2/4/2010 7:35am Name: NY (1196) Subject: re: Kitty Caufield Kitty Caufield used to be Jo. According one of the waitresses, she is no longer dancing and has moved out of state. Date: 2/4/2010 2:21am Name: Fat_Cock (87) Subject: dreamclubber ROB's at TL: Brook and Sinn! Stay the fuck away from these rip-off bitches! They are both all about the money and will lie to you and take advantage of you and will not deliver what they promised! As soon as they tell you that you need to pay up front, walk the fuck out of the VIP! That goes for any girls! You should never pay up-front before they deliver their service!! Date: 2/3/2010 10:30pm Name: dreamclubber (73) Subject: FatCock: new girls and ROBs FatCock: If you know of ROBs, please call them out and name them here on this board. That's what this board is for, to help innocent customers from becoming easy prey to ROBs. The sooner ROBs are outed, the sooner they go. Try not to laugh too hard, but at least that's what I think. I prefer that customers get a heads up on who the ROBs are rather than speculating on who the ROBs are. This hurts the honest women and the club in general. Ongoing ROB list according to past posts: Ashley, Houston, Brooke. Can't confirm this, but they never bothered to come here to defend themselves. I would name other ROBs that have been posted about over time but THANK GOD they are gone and we don't need to worry. For those not in the know, ROB stands for Rip Off B tch, which is someone who promises one thing and then doesn't deliver that one thing, or worse. To be fair, the key here is whether she promised anything. Most dancers will be honest and explain what can or cannot be delivered. It's sad that this is even necessary but not all dancers are willing to do everything. I don't make the rules, I have to live with them. Just because she didn't deliver something not promised does not make a ROB. Also, a mechanical zombie dance doesn't count as a ROB if what was promised was indeed delivered and she didn't promise that it wouldn't be a crappy dance. My advice: try to get her to promise that it won't be a crappy dance. Upselling, asking for money DURING the dance, counts as a ROB if additional cash asked for is for what was promised in the first place. Upselling does not count as ROB if what was promised was delivered and the upselling concerns what was not promised. (This is real annoying but technically not a ROB.) Let's be fair, guys. FatCock, care to add names to the ROB list. In fact, I wonder if guys are willing to try the new girls just to see what's up and report back here which fans of this website have termed taking one for the team. Remember, don't assume anything. You must dicuss it and if she promises, then report if not delivered. If delivered, then it'll be understood why it's not reported since we don't want to compromise honest dancers on this board. It might sound odd but the whole customer-dancer relationship (sorry Aubrey, there's that word again) collapses when honesty and trust is lost. Word of advice: do not pay upfront. I know some dancers will say no deal without upfront but to me this attitude reeks of ROB. Date: 2/3/2010 5:11pm Name: Brbonz (142) Subject: ROBs You can trust Aubrey, jasmine and roxy. Others, watch out. Brooke, will take your money up front then tell you she only does, uhm for $300. after you've already started with the dances. Sapphire, depends on her mood. Date: 2/3/2010 4:46pm Name: 5RM (18) Subject: Finer than Carolina PLs, Does Carolina still make any appearances at this place? I got a pretty good VIP from her a while back. I remember her sister was pretty wild but I never took Karla in the back. 5 River Man Date: 2/3/2010 3:33pm Name: Jimmy_the_Saint (704) Subject: Kitty Caufield Does Kitty work here at all and inder what name? Date: 2/3/2010 2:19pm Name: Fat_Cock (82) Subject: gemwee Lacy/Casey is not Kitty Caufield. Lacy is actually a younger girl like in her 20's and hotter than Kitty! And she has a very nice personality BTW, TL has been infested with ROB's lately!! The girls there are a lot less attractive than at HT, but yet they will try to upsell you and try to milk you for even more money whence you're in VIP! I'm sticking with HT!! Date: 2/3/2010 1:58pm Name: gemwee (100) Subject: Lacy / Casey Not sure but isn't Casey the porn star Kitty caulfield? Date: 1/31/2010 4:42pm Name: anonamous46 (3) Subject: Post f or Nadi a Nadia, I dont know if you read this or not, but sorry I didn’t make it back in. Problem with the atm and then when I went looking got an urgent call…maybe next time…Dave from StrBks Date: 1/31/2010 1:49am Name: Fat_Cock (74) Subject: Littlebigman Ok, yeah I guess I'll just have to call and find out. I know that some of the clubs don't give names out but I guess the only way to find out is to call and see if they will. I'm sure that I'll see her eventually, hopefully sooner than later Date: 1/30/2010 8:38pm Name: littlebigman (26) Subject: Fat-Cock I dont think she is working tomorrow, sun. but she works most every nite of the week. I dont know her schedule but you could call the club and see if shes working that nite. Date: 1/30/2010 8:01pm Name: Fat_Cock (73) Subject: Got it! Cool! At least now I know where Lacy works. I've been wondering where she went after she left TL! She is one of my all time favorites as well. I won't be able to make in tonight, but do you happen to know if she's working tomorrow night, Sunday? Or do you happen to know her weekly schedule? Like I said, it's a very long drive for me and it would be dissappointing to drive all the way over there to find out that she isn't working that particular night, so it would be good to know her schedule, if possible. BTW, how much is the dance at the see-thru curtain area? Date: 1/30/2010 6:53pm Name: littlebigman (25) Subject: Fat -Cock Its not a vip area, just the lap dance area behind a see thru curtain but Lacy knows her business and Ive always been satified.I dont known why she doesnt work at a better club but she must be doing ok.I first saw her when she worked at Imperial Showgirls in Anaheim. She was the best dancer there, hands down, especially on the pole.She is still my favorite and Ive been to alot of clubs and seen many,many dancers over the years. Its your call. Date: 1/30/2010 6:27pm Name: Fat_Cock (70) Subject: Littlebigman Thanks for the info! I didn't know that they even had a VIP! How much is it & how long do you get at VIP? Yeah, I wouldn't even think of going to this place after I read the reviews, except for the fact the Lacy is there. I still wonder why she works at such a dead club? She's so hot and could be working at a more upscale club. I might still go there to see how she's doing and hook up with her again, and as you said, if she's still the Casey/Lacy that I remember from TL, it will be worth the drive :-) Date: 1/30/2010 6:18pm Name: littlebigman (24) Subject: Fat-Cock Youre right, the place is not all that great. I've been there a few times just to see her. Its a long drive for me too. The vip area is not much and the prices are pretty high.But Ive never had any trouble with the bouncers and Lacy has always been Lacy if you know what I mean. But I really cant recommend the club except for her being there. Date: 1/30/2010 5:55pm Name: Fat_Cock (69) Subject: Littlebigman I read the posts on the Villa and most reviews are negative! What-up-wit-dat?! Is it really that bad there? Why would Lacy/Casey work there if Villa is so dead and the bouncer kicks customers out for touching the dancers, etc. I'm assuming that you've been there. So, can you give me some feedback about Villa?... Date: 1/30/2010 5:43pm Name: littlebigman (23) Subject: Fat- Cock Yes, She's working tonite.Enjoy! Date: 1/30/2010 5:21pm Name: Fat_Cock (68) Subject: Littlebigman Littlebigman, Yes! Now I remember! She told me her name was Casey! I wonder why she left TL? She was the hottest girl there. Do you know if Lacy/Casey will be working tonight? I will have check out the Villa, but don't want to make the long drive unless I know for sure that she will be there... Date: 1/30/2010 4:54pm Name: littlebigman (22) Subject: Fat-Cock The dancer youre asking about is Casey. She has naturally curly red hair and beautiful tits. Now she is dancing at the Villa Theater in Ontario. Her name is Lacy and she is there about ever nite. Youre right, She is really hot too.Enjoy. Date: 1/27/2010 10:54am Name: Eurotrash (7) Subject: Sassy Does she still come in on Wednesdays? Or is she even around anymore? Thanks Date: 1/27/2010 5:35am Name: Dr_B (9) Subject: Black chicks Jasmine is a very hot petite black mix light skin girl. You're right doesn't work much, all depends on the bills she needs to pay or if her sugar daddy has been good to her, lol. I heard something about her moving to the day shift and some weekends. Very spotty attendance. Very easy going girl. The only other black chick is Kelly, I think that's her name. She is full figure type girl with dark skin. Works the night shift. Done VIP with both. Kelly did a better VIP. Depends what you are into, one is petite and the other is full figure. One is light skinned the other is dark. Test ride both and decide for yourself. Please let us know what you think. Date: 1/26/2010 8:10pm Name: Fat_Cock (66) Subject: When I was there about 3 months ago there was a red haired girl with natural curls, white chick with real nice natural tits, and just hot all around and had great VIP with her. I only saw her there that one time. Does anyone know her name and what happened to her? Date: 1/26/2010 8:03pm Name: Brbonz (139) Subject: Black Chicks Hottest one in the place is, jasmine. Don't know her schedule. It's pretty random. Sometimes not there for weeks at a time. Date: 1/23/2010 11:00pm Name: Dr_B (8) Subject: Re: June's back Glad to hear you are coming back. Are you working your same schedule? MWF days. Club Dancers Attitude Nasty Factor Date: 1/23/2010 4:08pm Name: junebug (New) Subject: im back It's June Been m.I.a but I'm back ;) Date: 1/23/2010 11:46am Name: horntoad (3) Subject: Blackchics Who are the hottest Blackchics here and schedules. Date: 1/22/2010 5:13pm Name: anonamous46 (1) Subject: HelpFin dingaDan cer I see this dancer at a local Starbucks and have danced with her before, but don’t recall where…either SRR or Tropical Lei. She is busty with straight black hair, very sweet, incredible eyes…a cool tribal band tattoo around her upper arm that’s tattooed to look like its tied on. She works Sat or Sun am and Mon-Wed pm…ring any bells? Date: 1/22/2010 3:04pm Name: Dr_B (7) Subject: looking for June What happened to June? Hasn't been in for two weeks. She is a hot petite latina that used to work the day shift. Great VIP's Any ideas where she went or when she will be back? Same thing with Victoria. Thanks for the intel. Date: 1/20/2010 9:14pm Name: NY (1194) Subject: Owner The owner is Randy the older white guy. He owns TL, HT and Flesh. He is semi-retired. He show up at the club every once in awhile but doesn't handle the day to day operations anymore. The general manager for all the clubs is John, the bald Asian guy. When Randy ran the chain, John was the general manager for HT. After Randy retired, John took over for him. Date: 1/18/2010 1:24pm Name: Fat_Cock (51) Subject: New girls? I haven't been to TL for awhile and was wondering if there are any hot new girls working there in the past couple of weeks? Dalia is pretty hot, but she charges arm & a leg for VIP! All the "hotter" girls charge outrageous prices at TL. If they worked at HT they would just be average because HT has smoking hot girls, and they wouldn't be charging that much. The only reason why the hotter girls at TL charge so damn much is because they don't have any competition there! If they were at HT they would just be another average girl in the mix, and maybe that's why they stay at TL, so they can be "big fish" in a small pond. Also, if the same owner owns HT & TL, why does he keep HT nice and clean, but TL dirty and nasty with stains all over the place in VIP? Is it the same owner or not? I was at HT and I was told that some bald Asian guy as the owner, who is there like every Saturday night, and when I was at TL some older white guy was there who was the owner. So, it seems that it's not the same owner who owns both places. Does anyone know for sure?? Club Dancers Attitude Nasty Factor Date: 1/18/2010 11:12am Name: paris_TL (43) Subject: Schedule Monday and wendsday daytime Date: 1/17/2010 8:33pm Name: Dr_B (6) Subject: Need for roll call This club and site needs a roll call. I called in on Saturday and Sunday to see who was dancing. Both times the guy who answered the phone could only name 4 or 5 dancers, not enough to get me in. Seems to be an easy solution, the more customers that come in the more dances the girls get and the more money they make to tip the DJ, floater, doorman, etc., everyone is happy, all because of a roll call. If someone knows the management, please tell them. Then again maybe management wants us just to come in for the cover charge and $6 drinks, but don't forget that one VIP buys a lot of drinks. Club Dancers Attitude Nasty Factor Date: 1/15/2010 11:54am Name: Fat_Cock (38) Subject: Stupid-Keven/Aubrey Stupid or Aubrey (which ever one you are), like I said on my post I have nothing against older dancers, and yes they are very nice. However, the FACT is that when guys go to strip clubs, they go to look at hot women, and naturally the younger girls with firm young bodies are going to be a lot more appealing to guys than the older dancers. Guys don't go to SC's to look at old women with wrinkly bodies and flat asses. I'm just saying that in the stripping business, which really is a BUSINESS, is place where it's more fitting for the younger hotter girls. People aren't pathetic or losers as you refer to them as much as just being real! Even the younger girl who is not so attractive will not have much success working at SC's because most customers want hot girls. The customers are not there to get dances from not-so-attractive girls because they feel sorry for them. It's not the "Feel sorry for me and give me a dance" business. That's just reality in the strip club business. Date: 1/13/2010 7:55pm Name: Stupid_kevin (53) Subject: you guys will get what you deserve. You guys have very empty, sad, lives to put people down and go on public personal attacks on dancers trying to make a living and club staff trying to do good work. I am not going to post on this board anymore. Somtimes, I wonder why I even go to TL given the scum/losers/pathetic losers like you guys also turn up there. In the end, you guys will get what you deserve. The older dancers are also nice, and pretty in their own way. I like all the dancers at the club and they are nice to me even though I do not buy dances from all of them. Kevin (customer) - Thank you Date: 1/13/2010 11:25am Name: Dr_B (5) Subject: Misc Dreamclubber, you are the man, enjoy reading your posts, in my next life I'm going to own a SC, will you manage it for me? You are right about regulars, it takes time to cultivate but well worth it once you are in, quick hits for us married guys. Speaking of cultivating that's why I need info on Roxy and Jasmine, still looking for VIP info. Yes Roxy is the brunette and the one who is fine. Did a VIP with her and well the price of admission, hoping it gets better each time. I'll let you know. Very hard body. Was in the other day and there are just too many fat ugly chicks and just not that many girls. Burned a pass for nothing. Speaking of passes, they print them in the SGV Tribune in the sports section, not every day but at least 4 times a week, free admission before 9 Who do we talk to at the club to get some type of roll call on this board. I'm more likely to come in when I know who is working. Doesn't take much, 2 or 3 times a day Maybe the doorman can do it and when you find it useful, tip the guy as a thank you. Club Dancers Attitude Nasty Factor Date: 1/12/2010 8:30pm Name: dreamclubber (72) Subject: Ha = Happy? and NY, DrB, Krakball, and David A Vega the last word on my last post should read Happy? it got cut off NMT people and never pay upfront. Replies. NY: Its sad to hear that an old vet customer who was unwilling to give up on TL has finally given up. Every time an old vet customer has given up on the club, it means that the ROBs, lame asses and greedy tip mafia dancers hold on the club becomes that much more stronger which will eventually make TL like every other strip club with lousy customer service. Although I agree that $120 + tip for 6-9 min isnt cheap considering alternatives, including women who do it for FREE or even PAY me for the thrill, the key for me is the nightlife ambiance that a club offers. Its been suggested to go to a LM strip club with great floor shows to get that nightlife ambiance and then rush into a non-club mileage provider place. Sounds too complicated but I might HAVE to if TL doesnt improve. DrB: I appreciate your words of wisdom, you obviously are a guy who likes regulars. The issue is that although you may have HOURS to spend looking for a regular when one quits or leaves, most guys dont. Some customers are married, or busy, or dont live in the area and they become easy prey for ROB and lame ass dancers. Instead, they are limited to a small number of dancers who are available or approach him. Lets say the guy is there for one hour and there are 30 beauties there but only 20 get around to talking to the guy and the guy is curious about the other 10, then you can see how some guys feel cheated. The solution is simple, stay for more than an hour but believe it or not, most guys have things to do besides hanging out at sc. By the way, cant speak for Jasmine or Roxy but Roxy is a brunette so I suspect you mean Daylene when talking about petite blonde. Cant speak about Daylene either. Sorry. David A Vega: I saw Felony this past weekend. Hardly recognized her hair up and colored brown. Dont know her schedule. Ive been told that you call the club and ask if a certain dancer is there that shift and the staff will politely let you know. No intel to provide. Krakball: Youre right, customer service as far as asking for dances is pretty good, especially at night. However, in your SAME post, you make the same point others are making about bad customer service. What good is customer service if 29 dancers approach you but that ONE dancer you want is the ONE that doesnt approach you. This is what the guys who dont have all day to be at the club are complaining about. Dont know much about Penny since she was brand new but she gave off a I dont want to be here vibe the whole time she was there. Havent seen her since mid December. By the way, TL is known for its variety and its clientele skews older so those old warhorses, believe it or not, are probably the biggest earners, my young friend. Not Ashley, though. Ashley is a ROB. Club Dancers Attitude Nasty Factor Date: 1/12/2010 8:22pm Name: Fat_Cock (36) Subject: One thing about TL is that they have a lot of mediocre looking dancers and a few old wrinkley dancers, and a handful of younger hot dancers. The question is: Why do old, middle aged, wrinkled up women even work at strip clubs? The younger hotter girls do charge more for their services, but they are worth a little extra money. But what's up with strip clubs hiring middle aged women? That's just more girls that I have to say "No" to and "reject" before actually getting the girl that I want. I have nothing against middle aged women, but I don't think that they fit very well at strip clubs competing with younger, hotter girls. I just hate having to have to say "No" to so many older & mediocre to ugly looking girls. It's just another hassle you have to deal with at strip clubs... Date: 1/12/2010 6:47pm Name: dreamclubber (71) Subject: Aubrey called customer LOSERS. Aubrey said: I hate the losers who always want something for nothing. The actual zbone term for customers is PATHETIC loser, or PL for short. Learn the lingo, babe. I never use this term but it refers to the fact that customers are PAYING for something that others guys are getting for FREE. That’s right, the complete OPPOSITE of what you called a loser. Out in the real world, there are guys who actually get SOMETHING for NOTHING. The horror! Maybe I got it wrong, you meant the losers are the lame ass and ROB dancers who literally get PAID for doing NOTHING. Youre right, they are losers and should quit. I honestly dont know what is the right amount of time for new dancers to become providers, but it seems odd that some brand new dancers are immediately willing and prepared to make LOADS of money by providing service and other lame ass dancers stick around for MONTHS pissing customers off with their lame dances before REALIZING that LA region has over a 100 other clubs they can work at. Oh forgot, they cant make money there either. Need to clarify, hun. I NEVER said do not give them tips. I say NMT, which means No Mandatory Tip. Hell, not even cheapo David Vega said no tips. This means that tips are purely voluntary and paid AFTER the dance. Any tip paid before the dance of course is NOT A TIP as defined in the English language. Money paid before the dance is a FEE. Thats why customers are refusing to pay the dancer upfront BEFORE the dance. The rationale for NMT goes beyond being cheap, NMT makes it harder for lame asses and ROBS to stick around indefinetly. With no exception, every ROB experience I had was when I paid upfront. Does this help. Any dancer who can get tips is welcomed to them. Its none of my business. You sound disturbed when every time you hear the word relationship and immediately associate it with boyfriend-girlfriend relationship, or maybe girlfriend-girlfriend relationships which may explain your hostility towards the men on this site. Again, you are an employee who is getting PAID to provide a service. No customer wants you as their exclusive girlfriend, we are renting you for a set period of time for entertainment services. This is an employee-customer RELATIONSHIP. Jeez. How such a rube, I just learned that word, can work in the sex entertainment industry for over a year and not know this is beyond me. I mean every new dancer probably has mixed feelings about this, some only for a few hours, some for months, but you have been with us for a while now. As far as antagonizing the dancers. Do you realize that the mileage providing dancers actually like it when other dancers are lame asses and ROBS. Why? Because that means that men will flock back to them after some horrible experience with another. The problem is that sometimes the experience has been so horrible, some guys just wont try any new girl in the VIP or worse, NEVER COME BACK to the club at all. Empty club. Ha Club Dancers Attitude Nasty Factor Date: 1/11/2010 4:38pm Name: lavish (77) Subject: AUBREY email me. thebusiness2006 @ yahoo.com Date: 1/11/2010 1:42am Name: David_A_Vega (354) Subject: felony Does Felony still work here? ANy better mileage Date: 1/9/2010 8:24am Name: Dr_B (4) Subject: Roxy and Jasmine Looking for some info on the VIP's from Jasmine and Roxy. What kind of mileage can one expect? Jasmine is a tall thin natural light black babe. Roxy is a petite blonde hottie with bolt ons and a killer body. Possible ATF's in the making. Would like to have both but would like to concentrate on one, but which one. Help me out with some good info, thanks. Date: 1/8/2010 8:26am Name: NY (1192) Subject: Repies Deamclubber, I’m not looking for mileage or to "hook up". Mileage to me is a perk. If it's offered I’m not going to turn it down but I really don't go looking for it. Most of the time I'm just looking for a place to relax, hang out and decompress. Watch some naked ladies, get a few laps and maybe a VIP. Why not HT? Because I’m not always looking for mileage and there are times I don't feel like sitting for the "do you want to dance" parade or the "buy a lady a drink" the second a dancer gets within a foot of me. I do goto HT every once in awhile. Like TL, I’ve been cutting back because of the aggressiveness of the club. There are better and cheaper ways to get mileage like HX. $120 + tip for 6 – 9 min is no bargain. Stupid Kevin/Aubrey, I guess I was spoiled by the "personable and down to earth" dancers of the 80's and 90's. I’m really old school, I like to get know a dancer better before we bump private parts. What the worst you get out of sitting and talking to a regular? Now, I'm talking spending hours with him. Maybe a few minutes to say hi and see how thing are going. You most likely get a drink out it. You might find that you like each other (not in the romantically of course). You might become a back dancer when his ATFs are not there. You might even get added on a regulars dance card later. That how most of my ATF started off. Date: 1/7/2010 2:11pm Name: krakball (New) Subject: Found this forum while looking for a nightly roster/schedule for TL. I now know it does not exist Recently visited the TL for the first time in about a year. Was there on a Sat night in early Dec, crowd was light. There were not as many hotties as I remember, and too many old warhorses with bad breath and bad boob jobs. The VIP rooms are still FILTHY. That being said, had a good time including a trip to the VIP. Don't understand all the talk about customer service. Within 10 minutes of arriving a half dozen girls had approached my buddy and I. The night I was there a long lean blond by the name of Penny caught my eye. However she avoided my buddy and I like the plauge. Another girl told me she was new. Can someone tell me; Is Penny still working? Has she loosened up? How is she in VIP? Date: 1/6/2010 3:20pm Name: Stupid_kevin (52) Subject: no mention of anyone I do not mention you. I am just having fun responding to the posts, sorry! Date: 1/6/2010 3:14pm Name: paris_TL (42) Subject: Stupid kevin I know you mean well sweetie but when you make posts like this it messes up my buisness, it looks like your trying to argue with the guys for me. I'll post my schedule for you but try to keep my name out of your arguments, thanks I appreciate it, I'll be working Saturday day hope too see you! Brbonz I'm willing to stay over for you one night maybe Monday or wendsday next week?