This thread blows my mind. All of the drama: "be a man" "ask a waitress" "what do I do?" -- holy crap, it reads like "Bad Night at My First High School Dance." Whatever happened to chillin' and having fun? When did going to a strip club get so damned serious? Y'all need to lighten up. If a girl you want is sitting with another guy, ASK ANOTHER GIRL. This isn't speed dating. It's a friggin' 2-minute dance. All these weird rules and posturing are damned ridiculous.Point 1: For all those saying, "Be a man": If you were a Man, you wouldn't be in a strip club in the first place. Strip clubs are for males with more money than game. A "baller" isn't the guy holding a dancer hostage and making it rain in a club. A REAL baller is the guy who gets the same action from "civilian" women for free.Paying to be a baller makes you automatically a non-baller. You are just a lame-ass wanna be. It's like buying a Lakers jersey and pretending you are Kobe.Point 2: Regulars are bad for business and the club owners need to put a lid on that shit. (And when I say "regular," I am not talking about the guys who come in and drop $1000s on many dancers, I am talking about the guy who comes in just to see one dancer, over and over and over.) Yes, any one regular can *appear* to be good for any one dancer. As several have pointed out, dancers make a good percentage of their income from a small number of regulars. However, this is failing Business 101: You want to diversify your income sources to reduce risk. Just like a stock portfolio, no regular should take more than 8-10% of your income... Less if you don't feel you can handle losing 8-10% of your income suddenly. Having a heavy regular is like putting all your money into one stock. Dumb.For the club, a lot of regulars can seem like a good thing, but it can be a double-edged sword. Regulars lock down your best money-makers, the girls with great personality who know how to entertain. The regulars hold them hostage, and prevent them from making the larger percentage of your customers happy repeaters. The customer comes into your club, and if all the good girls have regulars, your entire new customer base is exposed only to girls who don't have a clue. The new customer gets frustrated, approaches a girl with a regular, who reject him, and he doesn't come back to your club.The regular, if he ever falls out with the dancer (make that WHEN), is probably going to leave your club out of awkwardness. Regulars, again, are not ballers. They are sensitive wusses who have to pay for play. They get butt-hurt when the dancers don't treat them a certain way. Most regulars are probably "on the spectrum" - they don't know how to relate to women in the outside world, and they congratulate themselves that they have a "true friendship" with a hot, nympho-like stripper who "really likes" them and "gets them" in ways that other women don't.If I were an owner, I would make a rule that a dancer cannot sit with a customer for more than X minutes, and then they have to get up and circulate, and cannot sit with that customer again for Y more minutes. (Say 30 minutes/15 minutes.) An exception could be granted if the club were slow, or you could just lengthen X and shorten Y.I remember the days when dancers called the shots in the club, when dancers managed the regulars rather than the other way around. This new way sounds like the regulars are running the game, and everyone is losing: management caters to them, dancers fear losing them, and other customers defer to them. No good dancer (or club) should be afraid of losing a regular; they should have the confidence to know that every potential customer is the next regular. I guess this is what happens when you have too many clubs in a down economy.   sax "incredulous" beat

Thanks guys. Maybe I'll try both...

How do you compare those clubs to Paradise? Paradise gets the best reviews on another site I visit. Apparently, you can request 3-4-1 on any song, and mileage is high. I'm planning to spend some tax return cash next week, and I'm looking for the best options...

Oh, and "PL Pros" are thin pants like nylon running pants... usually worn sans undies. Some PLs cut out the pockets for easy access. Cerahas even recommended a particular brand from Target. I don't know if LOUASS wears those or something else.

PL = Pathetic Loser, a generally affectionate term for guys who go to strip clubs. Or, as dancers call it, "the truth."   FS = Full Service.

Wow, thanks Z for that clarification. It's amazing how much my mind gets wrong after a few years... especially when all my knowledge was second-hand or worse!   Too bad SS2 closed. Last time I was there, I had a fun time. (In fact, weren't you with me?) :)

Wow, LouASS, that is the craziest thing I've ever heard! I wonder if it was semi-planned, cuz most regular guys probably couldn't perform in that situation. Maybe she knew the guy and he was in the biz, even if she didn't plan to blow him until it happened.   The incident I referred to was not brazen at all. It was a club where "stage mileage" was common, and dancers would interact with customers at the tip rail. They would put their arms around them, or slide down into their laps, or whatever. A dancer on stage put her arms around a PL and he touched her boobs, and they were both busted. Then another dancer did the same thing to another PL and they were busted. I assume they were either on stage at the same time, or the cops just waited until it happened again before busting them both. It was a very Effed-up situation. It could have happened to any of us, because this club just encouraged that behavior. (I don't want to name the club unless ZBone says it is OK, because I think there was later some tension between the club and this site, and I don't know if the club is still in business.)

Several years ago, a prominent ZBoner was arrested in a club, along with a friend and two dancers. They were charged with lewd conduct, because the dancers let the guys touch them on stage. As I recall, they all fought it in court and the charges were dropped. It was scary, because if they were found guilty, they all would have had to register as sex offenders.   So, it is unlikely, but it CAN happen!

Sal, I was there last year. I told the waitress no, and she went away. (After I bought the one drink for myself.) I bought a couple of dances from P*** who brought out her bottle of hand lotion and did her special dance, and all was good with the world. Seemed like a bargain to me.

I'm surprised to read some knocks against Sahara. I find it very similar to Flamingo. Lots of drink hustle, but cheap dances and mileage ranging from HM to UHM.   Check over on usasexguide.info. Both clubs have a rep for a high level of extras, esp. in the VIP. I've been offered stuff that I really didn't expect at bargain prices. I don't know about nighttime, but daytime is reliably high mileage, and I've had a good time at both clubs.

From what I'm reading on other sites, La Puente is taking over for COI...

Can I get an "AMEN!"?

... Rambleday? Fuck that shit! RAMBLEWEEK, baby, that's what I'm talkin' 'bout.... Who has the luxury of setting aside a day to ramble anymore? Maybe back in 1995, but today, I've got Facebook, Twitter, Pinterest, Flickr, Tumbler, PX500, usasexguide, zbone, naughtyreviews, and 200 other blogs to check out. I have to post snarky comments on Huffington Post every hour, too.... So, if you want me to ramble, you better give me 30 days notice if I just have a day.... A lot of guys are getting old. You know how you can tell? They write posts that start, "You know how you can tell you are getting old?" 20-year-olds never start a sentence that way. They are too busy trying to get laid.... You know how you can tell when you are getting old? Strip clubs bore you. You walk into a club filled with half-naked or naked luscious hotties, and you think, "Yawn. I wonder what's happening on Facebook." The next thing you know, you are checking the RTRC for another club. What are you looking for? I dunno. Probably a dancer whose stage name is "I Will Suck Your Dick for Free." You find her. You go to that club. You are still bored. Why? There is no tension, no mystery, no sexy. You pay the dancer NOT to suck your dick. She insists on doing it anyway. You prevail, and leave the club with her feeling insulted, dejected, incomplete. You feel exhilarated. That is not boring.... How come no one says, "luscious" anymore? Is that an old guy thing too? Luscious is so much better than hot, fine, phat, sexy, gorgeous, fly, etc. Luscious is the pinnacle, because you don't need to put, "totally" in front of it. "Totally luscious" is redundant.... I went to a club recently. I bought dances from two dancers. Both tried to get me back in the VIP room. They said, "It will be a lot of fun." Fun is boring. If they wanted me to buy a VIP session, they should have said, "I can promise you it won't be boring." That is what an old guy wants to hear. If they had said, "I will try to give you a heart attack," I would have forked over the $200 immediately.... Only one of the two dancers was luscious, by the way. The other was just hot, and kind of MILF-y.... Notice how nobody ever talks about "WILF"? That would be a Wife I'd Like to Fuck. That's because they are mythical.... Only four Rambleday posts? How pathetic. Not even Benn showed up. Manual, I think you need to switch it to Rambleweek. That should get some real participation.  This post was edited by Sax at February 4, 2013 9:57 AM PST

I'll admit: I have gone to a strip club when I was "broke." Sometimes, the horniness just wins out. Where else can you see a room full of naked women for just the cost of cover and a drink? OK... I do always tip on stage. A "broke" trip to a club for me is $40. $20 for cover and drink, and $20 for stage tips, and when those are gone, I leave.   In a club like VIP, I have used that stage tip money to get two laps, and then left.   It sucks being broke, but when you have the club bug, what are you going to do?   * Note: "Broke" doesn't mean I have no money; broke means I have no money in my budget. I am thankful that I am not truly broke (i.e., homeless/jobless), but if my expenses occasionally exceed my income, I am not going to add to the problem by spending crazy in a club.   I assume there are some guys who are even more broke than me who go to clubs. Maybe $40 is too much. Maybe they only have $20. Maybe they have a pass and only $10. I don't judge them, though I do understand why the dancers might. This post was edited by Sax at November 30, 2012 7:51 AM PST

@Manual: Thanks... just a drive-by. I have a day between projects so I poked my head in. I feel like that scene in the movie "THX1138" where he has been in "prison" and escapes from the silent, peaceful, white world of confinement, and enters the real world as a nuclear accident has happened and all Hell is breaking loose, and a massive stream of people are just RUNNING down a huge corridor, and he slips into the stream and is at the same time happy, relieved, and totally FREAKED OUT. @Benn: I am really sorry if I seemed to be talking down to anyone, especially you. You know me. I am a humble guy. I couldn't talk down to anyone, and me talking down to you is like an ant talking down to an elephant. I don't believe anyone (well, not much) has moved on because they are older and wiser... Sometimes, shit comes up. Life happens. I would be on here 8 hours a day if I could, but I'd have to be accessing it from Starbucks, because I wouldn't have a job or a house. For a while, I could be irresponsible and blow hours a day on here, because I could. Now, I can't. Even 15 minutes a day is almost unethical for me, because I have greater responsibilities. One thing about being on this site, is we can all be our juvenile selves (and I mean that in a good way). We can crack wiener jokes, hold our verbal circle jerks, talk to pretty girls, and be 18 year olds all over again. After a while, we start to think that eveyone else is really that way, when I think we all realize that most of us hold jobs, are responsible adults, and have lives to lead. Even the guys who are on here constantly are somehow squeezing it in between meetings, work, commuting, and family. I'm guessing at least half the guys on here are married or in a relationship as well. If you are spending $500/week in clubs, as many here profess to do, you are either making great money, have parental or spousal support, have an inheritance, or are supremely stupid and will be homeless soon. So the term "pathetic loser" belies a certain sense of gravitas here in the group... We may all be bozos on this bus, but we are also real people with real lives and responsibilities. Most of us are doing pretty well. Strip clubs is at its basic an upper/middle-class pursuit. (Which is why I haven't clubbed for a few years.) When you say you lost a friendship on here, I hope you aren't talking about who I think you might be (and I especially hope you don't mean me!). I think ZBone realizes it was a mistake to unblock the thread. After you blocked it, he received a torrent of complaints, so he unblocked it. I don't think he had any idea how it was like cutting the red wire instead of the blue. He thought it would calm things down, and it blew up in his face. Believe me, he didn't do it to disregard you at all. He was erring on the side of allowing free discussion, versus shutting down what he thought was a relatively minor tiff. That has always been the hallmark of this board, to allow free discussion that has not violate the TOS, even when that discussion is unpleasant or heated. It's like: You can't yell "fire" in a crowded theater. ZBone thought yelling "smoke" was OK, but he might realize now that that is not a good idea either. sax "misses my emoticon" beat

Just to clarify: My initial post was not about any one person. It was directed at a host of people. As I said, "Old posters and new, dancers and customers, sane people and otherwise." Yes, there were aspects that were influenced by individuals, but I would rarely post at length directed to an individual. I would just PM. When I post, it is a broadcast, not a private line. BTW, much of the information that people really want on here, whether about ROBs, mileage, or whatever, is about illegal activity. So, although yes, we all want it out in the open, private groups and private messages is the proper way to share inside info. If you say a dancer touched, stimulated, or rubbed you, that is ILLEGAL behavior. An air dance is the only dance technically legal. Therefore, so-called ROBs are the only dancers in compliance with the law. Even saying a dancer is "not a ROB" is therefore to accuse her of illegal activity. So, other than describing a dancer's personality, if you describe anything about her dances that is not about the amount of air between you, you are describing illegal behavior. "So what?" you may ask. "The cops aren't going to bust her on that." True, my friends, true, but that puts the dancer in a position where she can now be pressured by club management, by her peers, by other customers, into doing things she would rather not do. That is why the forums are as they should be: Pointless discussion about how great the clubs are, which dancers are the coolest, and complaining about the drink prices. Oh, and Tillrules, this post is not directed at you at all. It has nothing to do with you. I'm just raising some general points here to full space. Move along, nothing to see here. Ignore, ignore, ignore. sax "troll" beat

I love that song by Carly Simon, "You're So Vain (You Probably Think This Song is About You)." Rumor was, the song was about Mick Jagger, who was so vain, he agreed to sing backing vocals on the song, blithely unaware that he was its target. Gotta love it. Oh, and: GOB (noun): a lump or clot of a slimy or viscous substance.

KushHead said:wow wow..how do i no longer receive notifications on this topic?? lol talk about beating a dead horse... i never thought possible but now even typed out words seem to sound like the Peanuts Gang Teacher!! :D Post a reply to this topic and click on the little box that says, "Send me notifications when other members reply to this topic." so it is NOT checked.   I just did it myself. Unfortunately, there doesn't seem to be a way to do it without posting. I suggest everyone who removes themselves from this discussion put the word UNSUBSCRIBE in their post as a protest, and to let the protagonists know they are opting out of this futile discussion, do not support the tone of such a discussion, and are choosing to return to above the fray and out of the pig sty.   In the old days of the Usenet, we used to say, the best way to avoid flame wars was to ignore the people who start them. Hard to believe that over 15 years later, that rule has been forgotten.   Unsubscribe from this thread. Block the members who annoy you by clicking on their name to go to their page and clicking the "Block this member button." IGNORE flame wars. IGNORE trolls. Being the voice of reason gets you nowhere online. (Well, actually, it usually gets you attacked and ridiculed.)   None of us have time for this crap. Life is too short. Be happy. Move on. There is nothing to see here. Nothing.   Ignore, ignore, ignore.     sax "lalalala I can't hear you" beat

Dani said:I try not to be too negative in general but this thread needs to end .. its so back and forth and petty .. i got so lost reading it, thinking why would anyone get so worked up over some forum posts ... everyone on here cept the girls have handles .. so whats the worst thing that could possibly happen? "don't make me angry or i'll be forced to bust a CAPS LOCK on your ass"?! lol its silly ... lets get back to talking about dancers and clubs and good or bad times... but to go on an internet rampage is foolish .... just sayin' ... SMILE :D Dani, you are a class act. I wish there was a "Like" button on this board. :)

I poked my head in this week, and jeez: What a tempest in a teapot! Old posters and new, dancers and customers, sane people and otherwise, all worked up over… what? I don't know. Someone insulted someone, someone wasn't nice, people are getting their emotions all in a freak. I don't get it.Isn't this a site about strip clubs? I mean, I take my clubbing seriously, but not, um, SERIOUSLY.Seriously.In the immortal words of Mr. (not Dr.) King: "Can't we all just get along?"Is someone really bugging you? Click on their name in a message, go to to their page, and click "Block Member."Do you want to talk about a particular club or dancer in gory detail? Start a private group:- Click on the Groups button at the top of this page.-  Click, "Start New Group." - Click on "No, hide from search results." "No, only officers can invite other people." "New members must be approved." - Set View Privacy = "Registered Members" or "Group Members.") Invite all the people whose opinions you respect. No one else will know. No one will be able to read it. You can invite dancers or not.Customers, do you want to talk about clubs and strippers in excruciating, brutal detail? Start a private group. Call it "ROBS, KNOBS and GOBS." Talk about who are the ROBs. Who polishes knobs, and who gobs after a dance...Dancers, you can start a private group too. Call it "Customer discussion" and discuss all the PLs on this board. Share info on who is an a-hole, who is a good tipper, who is a jerk, who is truly pathetic, and who are the nice guys.That's how it's done.But getting worked up over this BS? Posting dozens and dozens of posts going back and forth about who insulted whom, who is lying, who is provoking, who is right or wrong? Get over it. That is so 1995. I know, because I was there.Chill, people.

A tip for all: If you want unvarnished reviews, untouched by pressure, modsquads, or anything else, go to www.usasexguide.info. The site is offshore, and cannot be touched by US law enforcement, let alone the clubs. Discussion of illegal behavior is not only accepted, it's encouraged. The mantra of the site is posts must be about where straight men can go for sex in any form. Little else is tolerated. If you want that, go there. If you want to post happy, favorable reviews, then stay here.

I love this discussion, and I'm impressed at how civil it has remained, but at this point, it is so far off-topic with regards to strip clubs that I am going to respectfully withdraw now from this thread. Let's all go get a lap dance from a girl from a different race every day and share the love. Let's bring the rainbow party to the rainbow coalition. I want some contrast in my lap, baby! It's all good.

Knottyboi, I'm sorry to hear of your situation, and I think it truly sucks. The City made a bad decision in its attempt to correct several decades (centuries?) in which minorities were discriminated against, or as you'd say, "held back as less qualified white candidates got to 'jump' the line." The mistake was, they attempted to fix a wrong with a wrong: You don't help one group by holding back another. However, this hardly constitutes an "attack" - it is a case of bureaucrats trying to fix things in a way that they don't think through. The courts attempted to correct it, but just as letting unqualified minority candidate jump the line doesn't make up for two centuries of discrimination, fixing the City's bad decsions doesn't make up for the time you lost. I would recommend you tell the City you want 40 acres and a mule, but I think you will find they are deaf to those requests. When it comes to fixing racism on all sides, government may be the only solution, but they suck at it most of the time. Until we all learn to love each other blind to each other's skin color or language, racism will always be with us, hence, all solutions will be ineffectual. Saying that "white people are under attack" because the goverment is attempting to reconcile 200 years of stupid policies and behavior just adds to the problem.

(Sorry to jaytee669 for adding another long-winded repetitive message to your e-mail) This post was edited by Sax at March 27, 2012 3:08 PM PDT

A lot of these points have been made already, but I wanted to pipe in with my views... For the record, it is not all easy for other minorities. It kind of bugs me that you seem to think black Americans have it easy, when that kid in Florida was SHOT just for walking while black. Yes, blacks have a more solid place in popular youth culture than in the past, but there is still a massive amount of racism against blacks in the US, including against the president. If you are basing your opinion of anti-black racism based on what you are seeing in strip clubs, rap videos and other pop culture, I suggest you visit the hood, my friend. Walk a mile in your brother's moccasins (to mix a metaphor). A lot of people are hurting in this country, including poor whites. These ain't easy times for anyone! I'm a racial chameleon. In clubs alone, I've been confused for black, white, Hispanic, east Indian, west Indian, Middle-Eastern, Filipino and probably a few others I'm forgetting. One dancer told me I could be her Egyptian boyfriend's brother. Another told me I looked like a Ceylonese guy she used to know. I've gotten benefit from this when the perception benefited me, and I've been screwed when it didn't. In every case, I've been most successful in situations when my pleasant personality overcame the pre-judgement and the dancer got to know me even a little bit. Even then, sometimes you meet a real asshole, and nothing you can do will change things. I find it best to just leave then. This isn't 1958. It isn't worth getting beat up (or shot) to make a stand. Moving on: I have known dancers who wouldn't dance for black guys, Asian guys, Latino guys, Latinos, fat guys, guys in suits, guys in work clothes, guys with cologne, guys without cologne, etc. I've known dancers (at black clubs) who won't dance for white guys. Everyone gets shit on, on some days, my friend. You are not alone. As soon as you start thinking the mistreatment applies more to you (or your race) than to other people, that is a dangerous slope. You are becoming paranoid. Look at some of the Tea Party people, who belong to the dominant white culture, who think "the white man is being attacked in America." Most of us think they are crazy, but they see things from a limited perspective, and they have become paranoid. Even the Occupy movement, which should look at itself as a majority (the 99%), acts paranoid because they think the 1% is controlling them and getting all the good nookie. These are paranoid times, and if you fall for the bullshit, they will drag you down. We are all in this together… and it is not you against Blacks, or Whites, or Asians, or dancers, or anyone else… It is Good people against Bad people, and as soon as you start casting blame or aspersions on any one group, you have joined the Bad people. Moving on: This is not a goods-based business... it is a service-based business, and that service is very intimate and personal. It sucks that some dancers have biases, but for the most part, those biases are based at least partially on real, negative experiences. It is totally unfair, but if a dancer has a bad experience with x number of guys in a row from a particular minority, she is going to become gun-shy, and as zbone points out, that is their right. My goal is always to go in cheerfully, chat the dancers up, show them I don't have horns on my head, and almost always, I win them over. Some dancers are so burned out on minorities of one sort or another, they simply won't approach me. Sometimes, that's just the way it is, sometimes, they soften up once they learn from their friends that I'm "safe." Sometimes, it helps if I just approach them first and chat them up, and they realize I'm not what they might have thought (i.e., a thug, jerk or total loser). Moving on: That said, Dan, you give the impression you are just plain grouchy in the club. It may be that dancers are more sensitive to your hostile, entitled attitude more than your race. I've always believed there is a dancer for almost everyone in most clubs. Lighten up, enjoy yourself, and venture out. Don't beat your head into a wall by going to clubs where you don't get what you want. You will find once you relax, and look like you are having a good time, instead of being bitter and judgmental, the girls will come to you in droves. Moving on: Another possibility, it may be that what you are wearing is still actually working against you... If you are too clean-cut, maybe they think you are a cop! I've had dancers tell me when I have a short haircut and wear casual business attire, that I look cop-ish, especially when I'm in shape. Polo shirts and khakis are apparently UC or off-duty cop-wear, at least in some dancer's minds. (Black lace-up shoes are also a no-no that to some dancers scream "cop!" A dancer at Bob's years ago told me she always looks at guys' shoes first.) Moving on: Finally, you mention having low self-esteem (LSE). Not only can that also be a turn-off (and dancers see enough of it in the dressing room that they have pretty good LSE-DAR), but some dancers have told me that guys with LSE are the abusive in clubs. They lash out at dancers and treat them like crap, because it helps them feel better about themselves. Work on feeling better about yourself, and dancers will be attracted to your confidence, regardless of your race. Moving on: ALL white dancers aren't automatically attracted to black guys (and if you ask around, you will hear lots of stories on this site of black guys being cock-blocked by racist dancers), but they are attracted to guys of any race having a good time, laughing, treating them right, and "making it rain." Right now, a lot of black guys are adopting that cultural stereotype, because it works for them… after being the underdog in clubs for years, they have a formula for acceptance that works. Moving on: Hiphop culture has turned black guys from the stereotype of cheap, grabby thugs, to guys who spend lots of money and like to have a good time, drink, smoke 420, etc.. You can take a cultural page from that book and show yourself (and the dancers) a good time, without denying your own culture, and watch the dancers flock to you. Wrapping Up: Sorry to go all psychoanalytical on your ass, but I've seen enough people in enough clubs to know that racism is much less of a factor than you seem to be crediting. Attitude is the number one factor in any club, at any time. If your attitude sucks, you will have a bad time. Good luck, and happy-er clubbing to you. Sax "loves myself" beat

I chose my handle to honor the distinguished career of Saxby Chambliss, the Republican Senator from Georgia. Really! Why are you looking at me that way?

Bravo, drossi137... On the other hand, just because customer love to complain doesn't mean they are not often right. :) I would last in retail about 5 minutes... it is crowd-sourced nit-picking. Screw that! This post was edited by Sax at March 6, 2012 8:35 AM PST

Not everyone puts up with it. If we all put up with it, the strip clubs would be packed every night and all day. Indeed, as we get older, a lot of PLs stop going to clubs. Some just give up entirely. Others are lucky enough to get SOs who satisfy their needs. A few guys learn how to get game, and can get what they want in bars/dance clubs, at work, or whereever. Others turn to AMPS, or streetwalkers, or Backpage girls, or Craigslist. I've known a couple of guys who ended up in the industry doing porn, usually as camera men or director/producers (or strip clubs DJs). I'd guess most customers are 20-30. They make up the ever-churning income base: They don't spend a lot per visit, but they visit often, and there are a lot of them. They are often naive, and may fall in love with dancers. Customer 30-40 don't go as often but spend more per visit. These are the regulars and medium big spenders. They spend a lot, but they spread it around. There are fewer customers from 40-50, but those are the guys who are just there to see one girl, and they spend a lot, comparitively, but focus it all on one or two girls, probably at different clubs. The 50 and over crowd is on the long side of the bell curve in that they don't spend as much, but they aren't as needy as the 20-30 crowd. (I bet they spend about the same per visit, but don't go as often.) I'd love if dancers or club employees would comment on/correct my demographic ranges and assumptions. Clubs are far from the last refuge for the PL. If more guys recognized it sooner, the business would change. This post was edited by Sax at March 5, 2012 4:29 PM PST

Thanks. It's not a big deal in any way... so no worries!

Exactly. For example, I see a hot dancer, I click on her Profile, and when I click on the Info tab, it shows she dances at a club I don't know about. It would be awesome to click on that club and immediately see where it is, instead of going to the club section and browsing to find the club. You could have a list of clubs, and let dancers add clubs as needed, or auto-fill the club name as she types... but that sounds like more work!

Is there any way to set it so that when a club name appears in dancer info/profile, it links to the club info page?   Thanks.

Hey, how come I can't "iike" your comment? Z Bone said: Sax said: … What is the difference between a dancer, a stripper and a whore? A dancer gets upset when a guy has an accident. A stripper carries wipes. A whore carries condoms. (And I say that with all due respect.) You left out slut. Sluts loves "accidents" on them, don't carry wipes or condoms and doesn't ask for money. Yes, sometimes they work at strip clubs just for the action.

My Belated Ramble … OK, I'm late. I somehow got it into my head that Ramble Day was the same as Groundhog Day, and I was planning to ramble today. Last night, I noticed I had a few emails from this site that rambles had already been posted. Darn. I guess that proves I'm another old guy. … Accidents. Every PL wants them, so they can pretend they never had them. Every dancer tries to make them, so they can act disgusted when they happen. It's a crazy world. And then there is Orange County, where rumor has it two clubs that were for years the tamest clubs in Southern California are now hotbeds of full on UHM. … Can you imagine, a PL and a dancer in the VIP room, having full-on sex, and afterwards, he says he didn't splooge, and she says that's good, because it is disgusting and un-gentlemanly? … I've been reading usasexguide.info for entertainment value. It's like this site, but without friends or community, just hard info. They break the site down into regions, and within those regions, activities, like strip clubs, massage parlors, escorts and streetwalkers. It's mind-blowing. I realize that clubs are for guys who don't really want sex. Clubs are for guys who want to chat and cuddle. (At least in LA.) … I know I'm getting old, because strip clubs don't interest me any more. I love strippers, but I hate clubs. A colleague recently said, "I want to go to a place where strippers hang out, that isn't a strip club, just because I like to watch them." I realized, yeah… me too. … Not to get into politics, but it fascinates me that a guy like Newt Gingrich can be married three times. Power and money really must be the ultimate aphrodisiacs. Oh well, there goes my chance. … You know who will make a zillion dollars? The first guy who opens a club for men over 40. No loud music, no barking DJs, no insulting drink hustle, no TVs… Instead, maybe a club where the sultry female DJ plays classic rock, old-school hip-hop, Latin and maybe even some jazz. The vibe is low-key, elegant and intimate, like a place where James Bond would hang out instead of a place where Tupac would hang out. Maybe even some dancers over 30 or 40. They could charge a cover of $40, and the place would be filled every night, as long as the dancers were hot and could hold a conversation. It would be a great place to chat and cuddle. … I'm going to blow Benn's cover now: Don't believe his stuff about being fat and old. The man is a player. He looks a little like Sir Paul, if Sir Paul had been a beach bum. Benn is a little like Rodney Dangerfield, becoming wealthy and respected while claiming "he don't get no respect." Trust me, people, Benn's got game. … I guess I have to comment on the Zbone 2.0 reboot: I love it. It's everything that Facebook is, without all those annoying people that I don't care about. Sorry to those of you who have sent me friend requests that I've blocked, but it is what it is. I can't block anyone on Facebook, because I would have to explain myself at work, or the next family dinner, or at the market. Here? Fuck it. If I don't know you personally, leave me the hell alone. God, it feels so great to say that. Next, I need to work on the people I know that I still don't want any part of. People say, "Lonely old man" as if that's a bad thing. I consider it an aspiration. … Can a ramble be short? … Let me explain something to the young people on this site: If you are a regular on a strip club web site, by definition, you are a hopeless, pathetic loser. Fortunately, that is also true if you are on a tech site, a political site, a shopping site, or pretty much anything else, so you are in good company. No matter what people say, real life is lived offline. I guarantee you the biggest players in the strip clubs are not on this web site or any other. On the Internet, no one call tell you're a dog. So what this site does is let us trade info, and pretend to be bigger dogs than we really are, but let's be clear here: We aren't fooling anyone. Especially the strippers. … The strippers who have signed up for this site are smart business women. The smartest ones are those who will stay on this site when the buzz has quieted down, and mine this motherlode for all the PLs they can harvest. … What is the difference between a dancer, a stripper and a whore? A dancer gets upset when a guy has an accident. A stripper carries wipes. A whore carries condoms. (And I say that with all due respect.) … This is the first real ramble I've ever done, in that I don't have a point. It's truly a bunch of random thoughts that I haven't tried in any way to turn into a coherent whole. I'm not sure if that's a good thing or a bad thing. … Strip Clubs save marriages. I'm convinced. Instead of seeing a hooker, having an affair, or just leaving, they allow men (who are all dogs, don't fool yourselves) to have an essentially harmless outside sexual release. Let's face it: After age 25, guys deteriorate pretty quickly, even faster than women. I'll bet even George Clooney is pretty gross naked. Women look at men, and sex, as necessary evils… when they consider us necessary at all. The rest of the time, we are just evil. If you love your wife, do you really expect her to want to demean herself by sexing up your droopy, pasty, hairy ass? Ew! Why would you do that to her? Nope. And really, you all know your personality is just not that sparkling. When was the last time you said anything sexy, witty, or just kind to your spouse? (In her opinion, not yours.) It's better to go to a strip club where you can, for the price of admission, insert yourself into a room full of young lasses who will pretend to like your jokes, admire your physique, want your penis, and whisper dirty things into your ear. It's worth 100 bucks every week or so. Hell, it's worth a thousand if you've got it. But leave your wife out of it, she's got better things to do, she has seen you at your best, and she knows how far you've come. Best of all, it lets you practice being sexy, witty and kind. Don't squander it. Take that knowledge home and treat your wife nicely. She still won't fuck you, but maybe at least she won't leave you for a guy with more money and power. … OK, I'm late. I somehow got it into my head that Ramble Day was the same as Groundhog Day, and I was planning to ramble today. Last night, I noticed I had a few emails from this site that rambles had already been posted. Darn. I guess that proves I'm another old guy.

I will Ramble, because I must Ramble. I've been thinking about this for days...

Damn, Benn. Those are good posts. Can't wait to ramble...

You all make some good points. I think a LOT depends on the club. I was at a club recently where dancers were grabbing guys' junk right at the table, and working it. They called a three song special for laps, and every single guy was done at the end of three songs... er, at least they didn't get any more dances. The lap room filled up, then emptied out. About half the guys left the club at that point, and I thought, "Geez, that is not good business." But within 30 minutes, the club had filled with a new crop of guys. That is MUCH different from VIP or Deja Vu!

I have talked to several dancers about this very topic. Several of them have told me that most guys "finish" in one song. Some guys last for two. One dancer said all the guys that claim to never have finished are either lying or getting bad dances. One dancer told me that if a guy doesn't finish, she feels like she did something wrong. I was talking to a dancer at the old SoCo who told me that there was a new dancer who was upset because guys were finishing, and the other dancers were laughing at her, like "What did she expect?" That said, most of these dancers worked at clubs that were not in the Valley. On the other hand, I was getting lapped once by a dancer who had horrible technique. It was so bad, I lost wood. She sensed it and turned around and said, "Done, baby?" When I said, "No," she smiled and stopped dancing... she didn't believe me! But that only happened once... :) This post was edited by Sax at January 20, 2012 4:43 PM PST

I know the mom at VIP... She is great. I have never seen the daughter. There is a part of me that finds that cool and kinky, and a part of me that is like, "Dude, that is so wrong. Stick to your own age group."

:) Interesting that the profession is "handed down." I know of several mother-daughter successions. I wonder how many dancers out there hide it from their moms, and don't know their moms danced? Or how many dancers pass it on to their children as an intentional career choice? Any father-son teams of managers, DJs, floaters out there?

Awesome! I can't believe it's been 12 years. Time to get Ramble-icious.

At Mitchell Bros. in San Francisco, there used to be a room where they would give you a flashlight, and turn the lights off, and two girls would make out, and the PLs had to shine their lights on them to see anything. Don't know if it is still there.

I am always here for Benn, and yes Benn, I get it. I actually think this guy is going to pay Benn back. Maybe not all $40K, but when his m-i-l dies, he will get a bucketload of money and give some of it to Benn, since he feels guilty about taking so long to pay him.   At least, that's how the world works in my brain, after watching "It's a Wonderful Life" for the 40th time.   BTW, ZBone is right about me being a lurker. As it says in my profile, I will not add any friends who I have not met personally, and even that isn't a guarantee. I just don't have the bandwidth for another social network. I have enough fake friends on that other one... This post was edited by Sax at December 22, 2011 8:32 AM PST