I wish they were still that way

NY said: This scale been around for decade now.  I've seen posted and reposted in lot of different forums and even no more explicit detail.  Is this any different from Saxbeat scale which is also posted on zbone in one form or another since what, day one?   As for this paranoid about LE, I think it's been blown way out proportions. Groups dedicated to mileage like REE and before that SRI Uncensored have been around for years.  Do we see a rash of arrest because of those groups?  When the last time you heard a dancer was got arrest because of an internet post (beside the raid on TL 15+ years ago).  Even if LE were using these site to target dancer do think a dancer label FM is safer than a dancer label UHM.      You are right just because we have seen others do it I guess its okay for us to do it to.  Just because its been done for years means its okay.  Your logic is astounding, I cannot think of anything throughout history that this type of thinking hasnt worked for.  Lets see what z said on the subject.     "Do not post specific and graphic detail of any illegal acts that a dancer performed at the club.One thing that everyone needs to know is that not only are the club management and owners reading everything on this website, LE (law enforcement) is also reading this website. I know the management is reading the site because I'm in contact with them. I know LE is reading this website because the site has been mentioned in depositions on at least 2 occasions that I am aware of, for prosecuting the club to close it down. They have even contacted me directly to try to get dirt on clubs to help them close them down.So like running with scissors, it's fun and games until somebody pokes their eyes out, or in this case, a dancer gets fired, or a club gets shut down.Personally, I never mention the gory details of what a dancer does in posts. Just "highly recommended" or "one of my ATF" will send the message. Keep the graphic stuff to private messages. And don't answer questions in PM unless you know the person. Any LE official can pose as a customer. Don't do the work for LE."   So i guess if the person who is maintaining this site for us asks us something specifically then I would think out of respect we would follow it.  But hey that may just be me.  Oh and by your scale LE would be able to go after anyone from mutual petting down.  Now put yourself in an owners shoes, You have spent lots of your cash to create a business and you really dont give a shit if the girls are all giving head but if the word gets out it will possibly increase the heat brought on your club.  Not just the word out as hearsay but multiple people posting it in a way that can be printed out and shown in court.  Would you want to be associated with it?  I am pretty sure you would be fucking irrate if someone cost you hundreds of thousands of $$$$  because they couldnt use a little discretion.

Are they honest with you or do they do the whole promise you the world thing?

@ tillrules. I just want to meet the bitch that fucked you up. You have spent so much time on this that it is obvious you are not happy with someone. Why are you so stuck on this though? on a side note what the hell does FWIW mean?

Tillrules said: While I agree about being overly specific, mileage comparisons/dancer intel are supposed to be a primary purpose of this site. That's another reason why I kind of use broader descriptions. By keeping the terms broad and generic, it makes it harder for the negative ramifications from happenning. Specific intel can be exchanged privately. Exactly dont go defining everything.  Get intel but be smart about it.  I mean shit if you are looking for a whore house then go to one but don't put someone elses good time at risk.

  NM = No Mileage = Air DanceLM = Low Mileage = GrindingGM = Good Mileage = Mutual PettingVGM = Very Good Mileage Feeding and DATY (Dining at the Y)HM = High Mileage = STS (Stroke the Salami)VHM = Very High Mileage = TTS (Taste The Salami)UHM = Ultra High Mileage = HTS (Hide the Salami)   As you can see in the above scale, there is a very clear distinction between HM, VHM and UHM.  This is the scale I've used for years.   I think it very clear and what extra a dancers will offer.      THIS IS STUPID.  Why would you put this on a public site anyone can see?????  Would you go out and blab to the world where you bought coke from?  I doubt it so why would you do this here????????  I mean go get laid in the club if thats your thing, more power to you but shit use some discretion...

 This just cycles back to previous discussions about what can be safely said on this site.   THANKYOU!!  at least someone seems to get it,  leave mileage the hell out of the picture.  By defining it you do all the work for LE which will eventually lead to trouble.  This will cause all the clubs to not want to be on here.  Use some common sense people.

I guess I would agree with mocha mileage does not tell you the quality of the dance. I also think you need to put it in context of the club, there are different factors that come into place when its a nude vs an alcohol club. I mean I got a dance a while back and it would be characterized as uhm but the dance itself sucked.

Manual said:   I don't think it's just Zboners that they think that way about. lol so true.  What I mean is that in the old zbone everyone seemed to just post about how dirty their experience was. Girls would go on and see it and never want to be invlovled.  Now even though it is a small % of people posting about all the HJ and FS it is all they would see so we would all get labeled that way.  It was in writing ever time they looked on and zbone was stereotyped.  Now we all know that every woman think all of us are just some perverted fools.

onlyVIPs said:so funny...I think of HM in a way that involves a dancer's hand. @Tillrules.  This is why dancers were scared of people from zbone.

Tillrules said:   Moreover, its not my job as a customer to go to the dancer to make a purchase.  They are the seller and should come to me to sell their product.  If I wanted to chase women around, I'd go to a real club or bar.     EXACTLY!!!!!     Okay now in response to what I was saying previously would be that some clubs give tickets for dances or VIPs  why not have a promotion where the zboner would say a phrase or mention zbone and they get a free dance  (a 2 for one of course) or free entry.  The person would not have to out himself other than to the door person who would give them the ticket and this way the club would be able to also track numbers of the zboners actually frequenting the establishment.  If no zboners or even a very small % are showing up they move on and invest thier time in something more worth while to generate customers for the club. 

She outed herself with what she allows in other posts too and I am sorry sal but anything more than just a dance is high mileage, I guess I look at it that if the girl risks having to register as a sex offender then $20 to rub me off just isn't worth it and I am not a kiss ass, I just want a girl that at least gives off the illusion of having class not some dumb whore.

Carmen said:.. but am I going to share the secret with every girl I see... no lollll- if this site gets saturated I might lose my special sparkle ;)))) hope everyone is having a great night I know I am!!! I can't wait to see you all again much love ;)))     Dont be so greedy, I disagree.  The cream will always rise to the top.  Yes if it becomes saturated you will have to find another way to seperate yourself from the rest of the group but its no different than working at a club where every girl is hot, not avg but hot.  This brings more money inside which causes every girl to make more.  Take what people have said about 4play.  The only complaint is the low mileage but I gaurantee those girls make bank because when every girl is hot there is no reason to do extras and other aspects of their "game" has to step up.

Tillrules said: But that only works if everyone outed themselves.  Otherwise how would the girls know it was a zboner visiting?     Not true, I am not saying the girls give any specials but the clubs themselves.  They used to honor the  zvip cards at clubs which was a perk for zboners.   The clubs would have nothing else to do on here but have a profile that showed any specials they would give to zboners. Much like how BarnLegal says mention zbone and get in free or I think the Bare would say "say this stupid phrase and get in free".

That is my point. If everyone only went to the girls on here then all the other girls would create profiles, then they would post their own schedules and there would be no need for roll calls and instead the clubs could offer specials specific to zboners. :) This is in a perfect world mind you.

 I agree with you though, the lower cost dances are a cheap way to test drive. smarter dancers will take it as such, and maybe get you to a higher dollar dance.     Yes, and if all the dancers were smarter they would be on here also.  Which is why I have decided to only go see girls I see on here.  If the others are too lazy than they dont deserve the money.  Hell 3 different girls told me they were just too lazy to come on here.  Thats just sad.

I don't think we have to, the girls themselves have let their character show in the posts they make themselves.

    I've lurked under another handle for a while.   I agree that zbone should just drop the poking thing.  It really serves no purchase and the exchanges push other posts (like RTCs) down the main page. It shouldnt be in the way of anything.  If the clubs post their role calls where they are supposed to then all we have to do is go to the clubs page and see whats going on there.  I agree it its funny but hey to each their own.

Tillrules said: Carmen said: I do believe this is the case to a certain extent (I've lurked here for a while, this is a new name).   There is definitely less of a public exchange of information on this board than there was before.  Fewer (and much less explicit) reviews and whatnot.   It has become more of a social site for a handful of folks who post regularly and a sales site for a few chosen clubs with member advocates. I do believe the greater dancer presence is a large part of this.  Dancers have always been here, but it was rare that they commented other than to say "Im working from 7-2"   But now that they do interact, customers want to use this forum to interact with them without an exchange of money.   The fact that dancers are now actively participating has changed the dynamic and I do beleive there is a reluctance for customers to be honest about dancers for fear of offending/alienating the dancers who do participate.       Allright the fewer reviews is a bad thing but the less explicit ones are a God send.  Z said it himself LE watches this sight as does club management so keep the details out just say it was a damn good dance and if someone wants specifics that you know then send it in a message.  I think anyone that posts anything to do with touching a girls tits or even her ass is an idiot, this goes double for any dumbass girl that says its okay to touch my tits in here.  This is a public site and all they have done is said hey LE go check out this girl/club.  I mean the definition of prostitution is trading sexual acts for money, not having sex for money but sexual acts.  I think the new dynamic is awesome it allows PLs to see and chat with a girl for free prior to going in to the club.  It also has opened up some of us to clubs other than the one or 2 we would frequent because we find a girl on here that we find appealing and will venture out to her club.  No I am not a cop but I am someone who doesnt want to be in the club when its gets raided because some dumbass couldnt keep his mouth shut and have a little discretion.  

Boobs MUST jiggle. There is nothing more awesome than when you are having your fun and each boob rotates in a different direction, or just watching them bounce. @meliki, I worked in clubs for a long time and being around it everyday does get boring, my boss and I would talk about how after seeing all these girls in nothing all day we would be at the bank thinking about what kind of underwear the bank teller had on. So i can really relate to the torture aspect.

Sax said: Let's all go get a lap dance from a girl from a different race every day and share the love. Let's bring the rainbow party to the rainbow coalition. I want some contrast in my lap, baby! It's all good.       YES!!!!

Combine what lopaw said and Maddux's bondage room pic and I am in pervert heaven. :)

@ Lou, I just hope her sphincters have had time to tighten back up. Yes I would make sure to double wrap too.

They find nothing with associating with Black people but when it comes to other minorities, not so much. Seriously, this is the least of their issues. Look you can't be mad at her, yes her momma for whoring her out but not her. You have to blame society in general. If we didn't find her intriguing for some reason she wouldn't have been popular and our kids would have never had her as a role model. I mean she did Humphries real dirty but hell he is a dumbsass for buying into it. No more or less stupid then the guys that walk into a club looking for a wife and then get pissed in the end. Like I said I am not really mad at her because she was able to capitalize on the overall stupidity of people. ooh and yes she may be loose as hell but thats why i would go straight to the booty...

Yup she deserves it straight in the pooper without warning then a "have a nice night"

Where the fuck is the like button in here. What we really need to do is breakup stripclubs like Disneyland. Tommorrowland becomes fantasyland. Guys who want to roleplay go that that part of the club. Snow whites castle is where guys go to meet princesses Mr Toads wild ride is for guys who are looking for extras Thunder Mountain is where guys go to just have girls pound down hard on their wiener THIS WOULD BE GREAT!!!!!

@ Lou would you still bang her though?

Beyond that you complained about the rhino in torrance and then went back again. Seriously man I understand you went with a buddy but hell. Someone told you to try out the library there are a bunch of white women there and its only a half hour away from torrance.

I like to be individual and I work very hard at creating a unique and interesting stage show, a long time ago there was a girl who would go on stage after me and mimic my entire stage set...she danced to the music I would pick (and I don't dance to a lot of top 40- I make a big effort to dance to music no one else does) she would wear similar outfits and try to do my exact stage show...I know that imitation is the highest form of flattery but it would drive me up the wall.... K @ carmen don't ever let this get to you. Imitation is the best form of flattery. I mean you have your routine down. We can tell by watching who the person is that is trying to match and the one she is trying to keep up with. Honestly its awesome watching the girl who knows what she is doing just go up and kill it and then watch the other girl kill herself to try and do the same thing.

Attitude and Laziness. With every sales job in the world you have to build a rapport with your client. I hate when these girls do the drive by ask for a dance. Most of all when it is slow. I am not going to walk up to a girl and ask her to come over, this isn't a bar where I am trying to pick up on chicks. The dancers job is to build a relationship and try to gain repeat clientele, if you are not willing to sit and chat for 5-10 minutes when the club is empty then you are not making the sale which makes it an easy night for me since I will then only have to tip on the stage shows. I may not get that dance from you but I will most likely either give you $20 for your time or throw you that much on stage. I am not asking for the girl to spend the whole night with me either just 5-10 minutes of good conversation, If they cannot do that they do not deserve my cash. I have heard many times "well I don't like being rejected" screw that shit put on your very tiny, grown up panties and deal with it. It is a sales job you are going to have rejection you just move on and don't let any of it get to you because there is another guy that will spend the $$$$.

See that I would look forward too :) thanks hun I am only in your area every few weeks just for a day so its kinda tough but. I would love to see you at least once

Zbone said he didn't put that in yet. It was on a post a while back.

I had never been there before and am only in the area every few weeks and with all the hype over the whole Felicia/Dani/Cassandra thing I figured I would check it out.  I will go with my negatives first.  I really only had 1.  That strobe light in there was killer other than that the place was great.  I walked in around 8:30 and hung out till 11.  It was still kinda slow when I left but a few of the girls said it really doesnt get packed till after 2 am which is fine with me.  I will never get dances on my first trip to a place because I want to see the stage shows of all the girls I am more of a stage whore.  I dont think I saw a single unattractive girl in there which was great.  I like seeing pole tricks and good sensuality on stage, I am not a big fan of just rolling around on the floor and shaking your ass.  Tessa was pretty damn good.  HOT girl with a swimmers body and extremely sweet when she came up.  Mia said she was new and she was smoking hot and put on a fun stage show she didnt look bored up there like most of them do she had a smile and made eye contact with the tippers throughout the whole show.  This is a major plus to me.  I finished my night off when Felicia went on stage and man was she hot.  Very sensual and good pole work.  I think the best thing about her was when she came up and talked to me, she didnt do the usual hi want a dance and run off when told no.  She invested 5-10 minutes of good light hearted conversation with me and with just about everyone I saw her talk to after. I am going to make a special trip out there next thursday if ther are all going to be there for the dance off.  I didnt get to meet Dani, she was tied up all night.   I will deffinately go back when I am in the area again